Tory leadership frontrunner attacks multiculturalism

[Whaleboy]

I said:

trying to link fundamentalist Islam with mainstream Islam in respect to terrorism would be like linking Ann Frank to Hitler on the grounds that they both breathed oxygen.

C0ckney:

sorry what was that about fudging the argument?

How is that fudging the question? It's a precise attack upon your presumed de-facto answer, using the basis of the very question!

with the 'crossing the road' is that you (and YOU positively make it into an art from) can complicate the most simple and straightforward thing with verbose, pseudo-intellectual rubbish. bovis stercus, spucatum tauri is still bull**** at the end of the day.

I've read back over my last post three or four times trying to find something that would give you credence there, and to be honest I really can't find it. The most complicated words are "proposition", "meaning", "ad hominem" . Besides, if you think it is bull****, then I invite you to refute it. Merely calling it so doesn't make it so.

With regards to "crossing the road", the attack upon your analogy still stands imo.

[Datajack Franit]

Sorry, I meant Islamic state schools. As for private Islamic schools, well, just do away with the tax fiddles that private schools get and you'll minimise their proliferation.

Hello? Ever head about money transfers from Saudi Arabia? World's main promoter of wahabism since the islamic revolution of the 1970's. Why do you think there are so many mosques, islamic schools and islamic "cultural" insitutes in the western world?

Please explain Canada being high up the list of targets.

Good point. And please explain SPAIN being the first european target in the list, right after US and even before Italy. Isn't that related to the fact that islamic terrorists arrested for plotting attacks in that country are actually asking for the whole iberian peninsula to be returned to Islam, after the christian Reconquista from the Mores?

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Datajack Franit Hello? Ever head about money transfers from Saudi Arabia? World's main promoter of wahabism since the islamic revolution of the 1970's. Why do you think there are so many mosques, islamic schools and islamic "cultural" insitutes in the western world?

The Saudis aren't that rich. I doubt any funding they provide amounts to very much.

[Datajack Franit]

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/031215/15terror.htm

Oh please. Only because they have oil it doesn't mean they are rich

Starting in the late 1980s--after the dual shocks of the Iranian revolution and the Soviet war in Afghanistan--Saudi Arabia's quasi-official charities became the primary source of funds for the fast-growing jihad movement. In some 20 countries, the money was used to run paramilitary training camps, purchase weapons, and recruit new members. The charities were part of an extraordinary $70 billion Saudi campaign to spread their fundamentalist Wahhabi sect worldwide. The money helped lay the foundation for hundreds of radical mosques, schools, and Islamic centers that have acted as support networks for the jihad movement, officials say.

[Bereta_Eder]

The Saudi Arabia has consistently offered to finance all expenses for islamic centers in Greece. I think some stupido finally accepted it but I'm not sure.

[Sandman]

I've got to wonder why various Islamic communities across Britain are clamouring for Muslim state schools when, according to Datajack, they could get all the Islamic education they'd ever need by asking the Saudis for money.

[Bereta_Eder]

They'd need governmental approval for it.

[Bereta_Eder]

BTW I judge Datajack's approach about Spain as wrong. Sure the fact that Spain was once under arabs did fuel the homicidal fervor of the bombers but it was a tactical move above anything else.

[Datajack Franit]

Then why is Spain on Al-Qaeda's target list? They shouldn't be a target anymore, since the spanish voted ass-Zapatero in order to get out of Iraq after Madrid bombs.

[Bereta_Eder]

They're not anymore.

[Whaleboy]

I've got to wonder why various Islamic communities across Britain are clamouring for Muslim state schools when, according to Datajack, they could get all the Islamic education they'd ever need by asking the Saudis for money.

Where can I find a copy of the Koran? I need a new mousemat

[Az]

I've got to wonder why various Islamic communities across Britain are clamouring for Muslim state schools when, according to Datajack, they could get all the Islamic education they'd ever need by asking the Saudis for money.

Because it's black or white, right? nice strawman.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Az


But those muslims aren't the problem. They're not a case for multiculturalism, since they've assimilated into the values of western society. People who are nominally muslim but are western in their values have never bothered those that oppose multiculturalism while hating racism, such as me, Datajack, Cort Haus, and many others ( and our ranks are growing) - It's those who want to live in a bubble, a ghetto of darkness. We have those around here too.

Clearly they aren't- but what irks me is the 'one size fits all' approach of the current round of hysteria.

Muslim=terrorist=asylum seeker=dole scrounger=refugee=hijab wearer= anyone with a complexion darker than a certain ideal shade.

It's also this notion that 'the West' has certain core values, which apparently only it has, or had. Which to anyone with a passing interest in history seems not merely untrue, but offensive.

Many posts here have simply ignored the many reasons people live in communities where there are others of the same religion, background and ethnicity.

It takes time to assimilate- as it did for the Ashkenazi Jews of the East End of London, or the Huguenots before them, or the Sephardic Jews before them, and so on.

[Az]

Clearly they aren't- but what irks me is the 'one size fits all' approach of the current round of hysteria.

Muslim=terrorist=asylum seeker=dole scrounger=refugee=hijab wearer= anyone with a complexion darker than a certain ideal shade.

Then you're arguing a strawman that has nothing to do with this thread. That's not the words of anyone in this. I can't believe you made this mistake, molly.

It's also this notion that 'the West' has certain core values, which apparently only it has, or had. Which to anyone with a passing interest in history seems not merely untrue, but offensive.

Not only it has, and not inherently unique, but certainly values that it has, ( not in each and every individual, but as a mean value, a stereotype). And since your words also carry the hidden implication that these ideals and values are positive in their nature, I think that you'll surely agree that they must be protected.

Many posts here have simply ignored the many reasons people live in communities where there are others of the same religion, background and ethnicity.

It takes time to assimilate- as it did for the Ashkenazi Jews of the East End of London, or the Huguenots before them, or the Sephardic Jews before them, and so on.

Blech. With modern educational and societal approaches, it takes one generation to assimilate if you're willing to. Otherwise, it indicates a clear desire to remain in a ghetto. Once again, I am a first generation immigrant, and I know the full extent of immigrants' problems and social situations.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Az


Blech. With modern educational and societal approaches, it takes one generation to assimilate if you're willing to. Otherwise, it indicates a clear desire to remain in a ghetto. Once again, I am a first generation immigrant, and I know the full extent of immigrants' problems and social situations.

A Jew in Israel ?


Come on, that must have been really hard....


One size fits all again.

Then you're arguing a strawman that has nothing to do with this thread. That's not the words of anyone in this. I can't believe you made this mistake, molly.

Did I say they were ? They're certainly the words of the British media, which staggeringly enough is where the Tory m.p.'s words were reported.

Good heavens, I didn't mind when Cort Haus sarcastically linked me with support for 'Islamofascism'.