So I was told I'm a Republican...

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Japher
One man's lack of vision is another man's taste in art...

Which is why Thomas Kincaid is a millionaire. But he's no artist.

[Japher]

And is why Jackson Pollack is considered a great modern artist... Art is subjective, thus so is the title "artist"

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


No, anyone cannot learn to be an artist. You either are or aren't.

Such ignorance, and from someone who styles himself an artist, no less.

No amount of training will ever make you an artist if you just don't have the talent. You could even be technically flawless, but it you don't have the spark or the vision.

Like I said, there are only three things you need: A will, the means, and Experience. None of these are inherient in a person, except perhaps the will, and that is only saying that you can not be an artist unless you want to be.

Of course, even without all three you can still have a succesfull career and get paid obscene amounts of money (which seems to be your qualification for ability ) just like your average desk jockey working his way up through the buisness world.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Japher
And is why Jackson Pollack is considered a great modern artist... Art is subjective, thus so is the title "artist"

Pollack was the first to do what he did. Furthermore, his art reflected the post-war uncertainty of the atomic age. It is, first and foremost, a means of communication. If the "artist" isn't trying to express something with his or her work, it isn't art. Kincaid, to use an earlier example, is only trying to get you to use your American Express™. He is a good designer, but he isn't trying to say anything.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

So the problem is that you are stupid, then? You are, I presume, aware that the wilderness is a rather dangerous place, yes? You don't think that a person who could fix you up might have something valuable to contribute, in case you get hurt or sick?

The usefullness of a modernly trained doctor quickly diminishes when you are in an environment that has no hospital facility, no drugs, and no tools or equipment.

Of course, I wasn't really taking your question that seriously.... a dessert island with two people on it is hardly a good hypothetical comparrison to society.

I guess I would go with the janitor, since he would probably have a better chance of not having an emotional break down and being unable to cope with the change of being removed from his element.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Japher
Art is subjective

Only to a point.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by General Ludd
Such ignorance, and from someone who styles himself an artist, no less.

So that kinda makes me an industry expert. My opinion here is worth a lot more than yours.

Like I said, there are only three things you need: A will, the means, and Experience.

And you are utterly wrong.

Of course, even without all three you can still have a succesfull career and get paid obscene amounts of money (which seems to be your qualification for ability )

I don't believe I used the term success anywhere. I simply stated how society values people.

[Japher]

Is photography and art?

[Donegeal]

Is Che agrueing FOR capitalism?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Japher
Is photography and art?

It can be.

[Japher]

How is photography expression?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Donegeal
Is Che agrueing FOR capitalism?

I'm arguing that what is, is. I'm also arguing that society places greater value on doctors than on janitors, and that that value should be compensated. Even in socialism, there will be inequality of income. It won't be as great, but it will still be there.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Originally posted by General Ludd
Such ignorance, and from someone who styles himself an artist, no less.

So that kinda makes me an industry expert. My opinion here is worth a lot more than yours.

Really? My mother has an MFA and is the director/curator of a public gallery, my sister is currently persuing her own MFA, and I am starting to persue a career in the arts myself, despite never having shown any interest or understanding of it at all untill a year ago (after I started volounteering at my mom's gallery and began meeting artists, seeing their work, and regularily attending talks and workshops)

The biggest hurdle that I had to (and still have to) overcome is the notion that there is something preventing me from being an artist... that it's something inherient in an individual. Which is really quite alot of nonsense. Nobody is born an artist... art is, almost by definition, experience and passion.

Of course, even without all three you can still have a succesfull career and get paid obscene amounts of money (which seems to be your qualification for ability )

I don't believe I used the term success anywhere. I simply stated how society values people.

not everyone can make a web page that will get them paid absurd amounts of money

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Japher
How is photography expression?

There are a lot of things you can do to make a photograph an expression, from the type of camera and film, to setting, lighting, subject matter, to developing and alterations. It's not as simple as pointing and clicking, despite what Kodak would have you believe.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by General Ludd
Really? My mother has an MFA and is the director/curator of a public gallery, my sister is currently persuing her own MFA, and I am starting to persue a career in the arts myself, despite never having shown any interest or understanding of it at all untill a year ago (after I started volounteering at my mom's gallery and began meeting artists, seeing their work, and regularily attending talks and workshops)

So your family are a bunch of parasites on artists, like RIAA is to musicians. This makes you think you have an educated opinion on what it takes to be an artist?