Why does the universe exist at all?

[notyoueither]

The socks from the dryer have to escape somewhere.

[ashby]

this universe was created by ways and for reasons well beyond our own perceptions.

[Vince278]

Ignorance is no excuse.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Vince278
Ignorance is no excuse.

Wha?? D@mn! I was counting on that to get me off.

[techumseh]

Is there some kind of award for stumping OT?

[Vince278]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
Wha?? D@mn! I was counting on that to get me off.

Works for me sometimes.

[Whaleboy]

This thread reminds me of the famous Douglas Adams analogy...

"If you imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, "This is an interesting world I find myself in - an interesting hole I find myself in - fits me rather neatly doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!" This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise.

We, the creators of tools, technology, ideas and the rest of it, are designers. To design we need a reason and a pre-conception. We cannot take the same logic of "so who built this then?" and "what it's for?" to something we didn't create.. i.e. a universe.

It's similar logic that Russell used to rape Copleston.

[child of Thor]

we are a computer program.

[beingofone]

Same topic being discussed.

Exsitence


I found this on a board, thougt it funny.

In the beginning there was the Computer.

And GOD entered: C:\Let there be Light

Enter user ID

C:\GOD

Enter password

C:\Omniscient

Invalid password

Enter password

C:\Omnipotent

And GOD logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Sunday, March 1.

C:\ Let there be Light

Unrecognizable command

C:\Create Light

Done

C:\Run heaven and earth

And GOD created Day and Night

And GOD saw there were 0 errors

And GOD logged off at 12:02:00 AM, Sunday, March 1.

And GOD logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Monday, March 2.

C:\Let there be firmament in the midst of water and light

Unrecognizable command. Try again.

C:\Create firmament

Done

C:\Run firmament

And GOD divided the waters. And GOD saw there were 0 errors.

And GOD logged off at 12:02:00 AM, Monday, March 2.

And GOD logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Tuesday, March 3.

C:\Let the waters under heaven be gathered together unto one place and let the dry land appear and ...

Too many characters in specification string. Try again.

C:\Create dry_land

Done.

C:\Run firmament

And GOD saw there were 0 errors.

And GOD logged off at 12:02:00 AM, Tuesday, March 3.

And GOD logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Wednesday, March 4.

C:\Create lights in the firmament to divide the day from the night

Unspecified type. Try again.

C:\Create sun_moon_stars

C:\Run sun_moon_stars

And GOD separated the light from the darkness. The sun ruled over the day and the moon and stars ruled over the night.

And GOD saw there were 0 errors.

And GOD logged off at 12:02:00 AM, Wednesday, March 4.

And GOD logged on at 12:01AM, Thursday, March 5

C:\Create fish

Done

C:\Create fowl

Done

C:\Run fish, fowl

And GOD created the great sea monsters and every living creature that creepeth where the waters swarmed after it's kind and every winged fowl after it's kind.

And GOD saw there were 0 errors.

And GOD logged off at 12:02:00 AM, Thursday, March 5.

And GOD logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Friday, March 6.

C:\Create cattle

Done

C:\Create creeping things

Done

C:\Now let us make man in our image

Unspecified type. Try again.

C:\Create man

Done

C:\Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air and over every living thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Too many command operands. Try again.

C:\Run multiplication

Execution terminated. 6 errors.

C:\Run Breath

Done

C:\Run multiplication

Execution terminated. 5 errors.

C:\Move man to Garden of Eden

Filename: Garden of Eden does not exist.

Abort, Retry, Ignore?

C:\Create Garden of Eden

Too many parameters

C:\Create Garden, filename: Eden.

Done

C:\Move man to Garden of Eden.

Done

C:\Run multiplication

Execution terminated. 4 errors.

C:\Copy woman from man

Done

C:\Run multiplication

Execution terminated. 2 errors.

C:\Create desire

Done

C:\Run multiplication

And GOD saw man and woman being fruitful and multiplying in Garden Eden.

Warning: No time limit on this run. 1 errors.

C:\Create freewill

Done

C:\Run freewill

And GOD saw man and woman being fruitful and multiplying in Garden Eden.

Warning: No time limit on this run. 1 errors.

C:\Undo desire

Desire cannot be undone once freewill is created.

C:\Destroy freewill

Freewill is an inaccessible file and cannot be destroyed.

Enter replacement, cancel, or ask for help.

C:\Help

Desire cannot be undone once freewill is created.

Freewill is an inaccessible file and cannot be destroyed.

Enter replacement, cancel, or ask for help.

C:\Create Tree of Knowledge

C:\Create Good and Evil

Done

C:\Activate Evil

And GOD saw he had created shame.

Warning system error in sector E95.

Man and woman no longer located in Garden.edn. 1 errors.

C:\Scan Garden.edn for man, woman

Search failed. Abort, Retry, Ignore?

C:\Delete shame

Shame cannot be deleted once evil has been activated.

C:\Destroy freewill

Freewill is an inaccessible file and cannot be destroyed.

Enter replacement, cancel, or ask for help.

C:\Stop

Unrecognizable command. Try again

C:\Ctrl_Break

C:\Ctrl_Break

ATTENTION ALL USERS *** ATTENTION ALL USERS:

COMPUTER GOING DOWN FOR REGULAR DAY OF MAINTENANCE AND REST IN 5 MINUTES

PLEASE LOG OFF.

C:\Create new world

You have exceeded allocated file space. You must destroy old files before new ones can be created.

C:\ Destroy earth

Destroy earth: Please confirm. Press CTL, ALT, DEL

System Error: COMPUTER DOWN

SERVICE WILL RESUME SUNDAY, MARCH 8 AT 12:01 AM.

And GOD said: Oh to Hell with this!

[Whaleboy]

[child of Thor]

And beingofone and my posting what we did at the same time kinda proves it I think we have the answer.

[Alexander's Horse]

the universe exists because it can

[FrostyBoy]

beingofone, that is a beaut!


Ok, but seriously, I have actually figured out the answer on my own. This at first may be complicated for you to comprehend, but if you just simplify your thinking, you should grasp it.

First of all, the universe is unlimited in size, there is no "nothing" on the outside of the universe.

And let me also point out that nothing, can not actually be nothing.

The universe infinitely exists in both time and space. There was no beginning and there will be no end.

Why? Well it's simple; since it is impossible for a 'nothingness' to exist, only the opposite can be true.

So therefore, there can not have been a beginning, and there can not be an end.


And, just a side note for those God believers. Existence IS God.

[BlackCat]

Disagree a little - the universe is of limited size, though it is expanding. It's the nothingness surrounding it that are of unlimited size.

[Winston]

beingofone,

Brilliant!