IRA to lay down arms

[C0ckney]

Originally posted by Toby Rowe
I want the Unionist lot to announce the same- better still, also announce the existance of them, and the link they also share like Sinn Fein does.

errr unlike sinn fein, neither of the two main unionist parties has links to paramilitaries

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by Cort Haus


What? Why are you putting the boot in? I don't see any crass or moronic going on?

Well read the ****ing thread then. Or do you think the reactions to the Admin tosser's comments by C0ckney and myself are some sort of spontaneous art gesture?

It takes a very special sort of person to make a post like...

Originally posted by MarkG
i love the choice of words from BBC

During the Northern Ireland Troubles, the IRA murdered about 1,800 civilians and members of the security forces.

"Troubles", "murdered".....

...and include that happy smiling face after the "murdered". And, God bless us, in the co-owner of this site we have just that special sort of person.

[child of Thor]

Lazarus and the Gimp, I think you have to read Marks first post with a sense of Irony. To a none english speaker calling the death of thousands of people over 30-40 years 'the Troubles' probably seems like a quaint british super understatement.

Thats all he meant by it i'm 100% sure. As a welshman with sympathies for the Irish and Scots under brutal english rule at various times in the past, i didn't find his statement in the context of being not from here insulting.

As a british person with an admiration for what the english and britain have done in helping develope the world i wasn't offended either

Still this thread is about the very good news of a possible real end to the 'troubles' Lets get positive about that

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by child of Thor
Lazarus and the Gimp, I think you have to read Marks first post with a sense of Irony. To a none english speaker calling the death of thousands of people over 30-40 years 'the Troubles' probably seems like a quaint british super understatement.

And what's "murders"? A twee little cream-tea euphemism?

[child of Thor]

well from his later posts he seemed a little confused over why you were so angry at his remark. So i would take it as an honest mistake on his part - i doubt he would be laughing at people being killed........thats all.
You seemed very upset - so i was just trying to put a different perspective for you, the one i had when i read the posts here.
But its ok if you want to feel angry at him - thats up to you+him to sort out

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by MarkG
i'm sure some northern irish dont feel like it's a simple "trouble"....

Funny how my friends from Northern Ireland and relatives in the Republic of Ireland also refer to the events as ' The Troubles '. Something for you to research perhaps, Marky, hmmm ?


As to when 'the war' started, chegitz....

In 1939 the IRA began a bombing campaign in English cities. This was effectively over by 1941, with relatively few attacks having occurred. With internment without trial introduced in both states in Ireland the IRA was at a low ebb during this period.

In 1949 in response to the British government's Ireland Act which reinforced partition all parties in the Irish parliament declared their unanimous opposition to partition. The same year the IRA issued an Order which forbade military action against the forces of the 26-County state. The early 1950s saw an anti-partition campaign conducted by Irish governments and supported by all parties in parliament. Its ineffectiveness in the face of the British government's indifference contributed to the renewal of the IRA.

In the early to mid 50s raids for arms were carried out by the IRA on British installations in the Six Counties and Britain. This was in preparation for an armed campaign which was conducted between 1956 and 1962. Mainly confined to border areas the campaign saw attacks on border posts and other British military.

http://users.westnet.gr/~cgian/irahist.htm

The 1930s and 1950s also predate the 1960s and 1970s. You would be better off saying that after a hiatus or lull, the I.R.A. returned (not without Unionist provocation) to the armed struggle.

It's hardly something from which either side comes away covered in glory or honour. Gerry-mandering and police collaboration in political murders on one side, and indiscriminate bombings of civilians and bank robberies in Eire on the other.

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Spiffor

I have an idea.

The Troubles were a terrible period for Northern Ireland, and it created much suffering in Britain as well. Like it sometimes happen when a catastrophe befells a family, the Brits have given the modest name "The Troubles" to something much worse, as in not to even strengthen the woes by giving them an actual name. But everybody knew what was behind this modest name. And "The Troubles" weren't a joking matter anymore.

These words are a sensitive chord, and by biggrinning with them, you are hitting it. By insisting, you are double-whammying on it.

I'm not a rosbif, so I may be wrong. But it sounds like a possible explanation.

well i've already said i'm not close to british politics in the first place. i'm glad someone took the time to provide some info for me. thank you

[MarkG]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
It would be like making fun of Greece's period of dictatorship from '67 to '74.

i didnt make fun of any period. i made a comment on the use of these words. nothing further.

as for '67-74, we call it as it was: "junta", "dictatorship", etc....

[MarkG]

Originally posted by child of Thor
To a none english speaker calling the death of thousands of people over 30-40 years 'the Troubles' probably seems like a quaint british super understatement.

AMEN!

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
...and include that happy smiling face after the "murdered". And, God bless us, in the co-owner of this site we have just that special sort of person.

i guess your preconcieved image you had for me didnt allow you to read my first sentence in that post

i love the choice of words from BBC

i was making a comment on the opposite levels of intension in the two words used by the BBC

a 30-year period of war : "troubles"
people being killed from the non-british side : "murdered"

somehow it striked me as an awkward choice of words.

i was OF COURSE not laughing at people geting murdered

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Bereta_Eder
Marko is a rightie. He probably calls it "the revolution". (j/k)

it's been established in this forum that i'm a fascist communist with a capitalist agenda

btw, i served in the unit which Papadopoulos was commanding prior to '67. i guess being in the most distanced artillery unit pisses you off

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by MarkG

people being killed from the non-british side : "murdered"

somehow it striked me as an awkward choice of words.

What non-British side ?



MarkG speak with tangled Hydra tongues.

[MarkG]

Originally posted by molly bloom
What non-British side ?

isnt irish = non-british?

i got it from post #50

[Bereta_Eder]

maybe instead of from it is by the non british side?
i always make that mistake too. from=skoto8ikan stin bretaniki pleura. by=skoto8ikan apo tin bretaniki pleura.
mind you i havent even read the article so i may be far off

[child of Thor]

Interesting point. Britons(archaic) are considered the native population of the British Isles, but in Irelands case(not NI) im not sure if they class themselves as being british? Welsh+Scots+English definately do though.