Female Rabbi ordained.

[lord of the mark]

Well actually dozens of them over the last 20 years.

http://www.jtsa.edu/rabbinical/women/

and thats just the Conservatives, the Reform and Reconstructionists have even more.

[Last Conformist]

When is it gonna dawn on you that nobody cares about the Jews?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
When is it gonna dawn on you that nobody cares about the Jews?

About the same time it dawns on you that nobody cares about the goyim

[BlackCat]

Does that correspond to a female priest, cardinal or pope in severity ?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by BlackCat
Does that correspond to a female priest, cardinal or pope in severity ?

severity? Im not sure what you mean.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


About the same time it dawns on you that nobody cares about the goyim

There's more of us, therefore we're right and you're wrong.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
There's more of us, therefore we're right and you're wrong.

Then i guess we should be discussing Hindu priests, or Chi Com officials, or something - certainly NOT episcopalians

Seriously, we've a whole bunch of Protestants and atheists discussing the affairs of the RCC. And a certain Catholic who want to discuss the affairs of the anglican/episc. church. If y'all are really interested in seeing how a religious tradition deals with this issue, and not just scoring points off each other (The pope sucks vs the pope is great) ya might take a look at this material.

CJ (conservative Judaism) has also spent decades wrestling with the issue of how to integrate "authority" with lay practice. Thats an area that has gotten much attention on the RCC thread. On the one hand i cant speak to how thats done in the RCC (though i think BK is just a tad ahistorical there) but its hard to keep quiet when that whjole issue is so much CJ's "thing"

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


severity? Im not sure what you mean.

I think about the outrage in the religious society.

Oh, and no bad thoughts behind my question - we have some local priests and religious societies that think female priests is blasphemy despite that the protestant church has accepted them for ages.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by BlackCat


I think about the outrage in the religious society.

Oh, and no bad thoughts behind my question - we have some local priests and religious societies that think female priests is blasphemy despite that the protestant church has accepted them for ages.

Well Im not sure if the reaction from the Orthodox would qualify as outrage, since most of them dont take CJ too seriously anyway, and those who do are not outraged. Many C Jewish rabbis, opposed the decision 20 years ago - im not sure that many laypeople did (I was still Reform at the time, where female ordination was quite accepted). Many of those rabbis have since come around. Some have actually attempted to form a new movement, called Traditional Judaism, and started there own seminary. Their synagogues are few and small however - most lay Jews either want to go all the way and be Orthodox, or prefer the approach of female ordination. The position that accepts the Conservative approach to Jewish texts (including the idea that the bible is principally a human document) yet insists on very traditional readings of Jewish law, is a possition that appeals to certain rabbis, but has little lay following.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


Then i guess we should be discussing Hindu priests, or Chi Com officials, or something - certainly NOT episcopalians

There's much of which you might rightfully accuse me, but giving a damn about Episcopalians isn't among them.

Seriously, we've a whole bunch of Protestants and atheists discussing the affairs of the RCC. And a certain Catholic who want to discuss the affairs of the anglican/episc. church. If y'all are really interested in seeing how a religious tradition deals with this issue, and not just scoring points off each other (The pope sucks vs the pope is great)

That's a bad assumption right there.

ya might take a look at this material.

CJ (conservative Judaism) has also spent decades wrestling with the issue of how to integrate "authority" with lay practice. Thats an area that has gotten much attention on the RCC thread. On the one hand i cant speak to how thats done in the RCC (though i think BK is just a tad ahistorical there) but its hard to keep quiet when that whjole issue is so much CJ's "thing"

BK is the guy arguing that to protect women's right to be housewives, we should deny them other options. I don't think we need care what he says.

As for the CJ hierarchy, I'll start to care about them when they start sabotaging anti-HIV campaigns or the like.

[BlackCat]

Tanks for the explanation

but you really have puzzled me - you seem to have

Conservatives
Orthodox
Traditionals
Reformatives
those that not take it too seriously

I might be wrong, but I would put the three first in the same group - that is, same thing, different labels. Is it the translation to english that make a hickup ?

[St Leo]

I think it's Orthodox, Ultra-Orthodox, and Hassidic in one boat and Conservative and Reform in the other.

AFAIK, Conservative and Reform Jews cannot get married in Israel. They have to go to Cyprus.

[Ben Kenobi]

And a certain Catholic who want to discuss the affairs of the anglican/episc. church.

And who might that be?

[Ben Kenobi]

Thats an area that has gotten much attention on the RCC thread. On the one hand i cant speak to how thats done in the RCC (though i think BK is just a tad ahistorical there)

Not sure what you mean by ahistorical. There have been examples of the laity directing the clergy, and reform within the clergy.

It is an interesting discussion though, about the balancing between the clergy and the laity, how the clergy has a responsibility to care for their flock, just as the laity has a responsibilty to obey the church.

[lord of the mark]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by St Leo
"I think it's Orthodox, Ultra-Orthodox, and Hassidic in one boat and Conservative and Reform in the other."


On certain poltical-religious issues in Israel (although even on those some Orthodox rabbis like David Hartmann disagree) . But not on all theological issues.


"AFAIK, Conservative and Reform Jews cannot get married in Israel. They have to go to Cyprus."

Conservative and Reform Jews can certainly get married in Israel. But only "by" (scare quotes cause a rabbi doesnt marry you, a la christianity, but supervise the ceremony) an Orthodox rabbi. Which isnt all that big a deal, my wife and I were married by an Orthodox rabbi for family reasons. The folks who have to go to Cyprus are those who marriages are not possible under one category of Jewish law or another, or those who on principle wont accept Orthodox officiation.