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  • #46
    Originally posted by Agathon
    But no-one cares about the Finns.
    Exactly my point.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Joseph
      Then explain the rumor that LB Johnson gave them the bomb.
      Which are utterly false.

      The Israelis developed the bomb mostly working with French supplied materials.

      The US actively wanted to stop Israel from getting nukes, at least until '67. The Senate had some hearings in which senators fel the Israelis had lied through their teeth to the Americans about their nuclear intentions.
      If you don't like reality, change it! me
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      • #48
        Originally posted by Joseph
        USA has armed them from the start.
        Nope. The US pushed for an arms embargo to be placed on all the parties when the war started in 1948, and the US gave very few weapons to anyone in the area. The Soviets smuggled lots of equipment to the Israeli's early on. One reason the Israelis did so well is that ehy did far better at breaking throught the arms embargo than the Arab states.

        Until the late '60's most Israeli equipment was French or British, with older Americans tuff from WW2, but many countries had access to that.
        If you don't like reality, change it! me
        "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
        "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
        "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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        • #49


          Nope. The US pushed for an arms embargo to be placed on all the parties when the war started in 1948, and the US gave very few weapons to anyone in the area. The Soviets smuggled lots of equipment to the Israeli's early on. One reason the Israelis did so well is that ehy did far better at breaking throught the arms embargo than the Arab states.


          Dude, not in 48. In 48, the material disadvantage was rather drastic. We didn't even have normal tanks - the regular arab armies had at least some.
          urgh.NSFW

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Az


            Dude, not in 48. In 48, the material disadvantage was rather drastic. We didn't even have normal tanks - the regular arab armies had at least some.
            Hello, the embargo was placed in '48. If you note, I never mention what year the embargo was broken.

            By 1950 the Israelis had more than corrected the material advantage. It was their superior numbers on the field at all times that had allowed them to survive the material imbalance.
            If you don't like reality, change it! me
            "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
            "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
            "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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            • #51
              Originally posted by GePap
              The Senate had some hearings in which senators fel the Israelis had lied through their teeth to the Americans about their nuclear intentions.
              Give me just one good reason why they shouldn't do that - after all, it was just some american politicians asking questions.
              With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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              • #52
                Like with Iran today.

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