One in three S. African 10 year olds having sex

[Drake Tungsten]

Richard Mugabe.. nuff said.

Who's he?

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Richard Mugabe.. nuff said.

Who's he?

Google finds a reference to a brother of Robert Mugabe of that name, but the document can't be accessed.

I've think I've got nigeria mails from someone calling himself "Richard Mugabe", but I may be misremembering.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Lancer


Still, my wife and I don't mess around, we're a biological closed loop. It's not our problem whether such attitudes spread or not. Most people are aware of AIDS, yet they behave like they do anyway. I say, that's their choice, if it kills em, well too bad for them. We need to put more money into AIDS education, and help rape victims and the like, but for 99%...They shouldn't have done what they did, they knew the risks, I shouldn't pay the price.

I'm a diabetic and I need to pay my own insulin or die. I didn't do anything to get diabetes, yet I'm to get taxed to pay for AIDS victims medicine? People who, for the most part, brought it on themselves?

I got my own problems...

People who brought it onto themselves, eh?

Fine, let's withdraw all sympathy for those who never exercise, and never diet right and then suffer from a serious heart attack. Let's blame them for having the heart attack, and thus undeserving of our sympathy.

In fact, there are plenty of diseases and injuries whose victims we can turn a cold shoulder against because often, those diseases and injuries are a result of neglect or ignorance of the victim.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by bfg9000
Swaziland has the highest poverty AND AIDS per capita in Africa.

OTOH, Botswana is probably the African country where the citizens are the richest (large diamond mines were found shortly after the independance, and the money pours to all Botswanese except the Bushmen), the political leadership is reasonable, the anti-AIDS caöpaign is oönipresent, and yet the country has among the highest AIDS rates in Africa as well.

OTOH, Senegal is nothing near fantastically rich for African standards, and AIDS is firmly kept in check there.

The problem is really, really complex.

[Ben Kenobi]

People who brought it onto themselves, eh?

Most cases, people contract because of their own behaviour. The truly sad cases are the ones where a child contracts AIDS, through no fault of his own, or whether someone contracts it through a blood transfusion.

The third category would be someone who's partner was unfaithful and contracted AIDS, and passed it on to the faithful partner.

I don't have much sympathy for the folks who contracted AIDS through their own actions. It's pretty simple to me. You don't screw around, you aren't going to contract AIDS.

[Ben Kenobi]

OTOH, Senegal is nothing near fantastically rich for African standards, and AIDS is firmly kept in check there.

The problem is really, really complex.

Religions: Muslim 94%, indigenous beliefs 1%, Christian 5% (mostly Roman Catholic)

http://www.countries-1.com/countries/sg.htm

Complex, eh?

[Winston]

...Unless they're not aware of the dangers, which might easily be the case for many people in third world countries.

Edit: X-post; comment was to Ben's previous post.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Religions: Muslim 94%, indigenous beliefs 1%, Christian 5% (mostly Roman Catholic)

http://www.countries-1.com/countries/sg.htm

Complex, eh?

Your point being, Muslims are less likely to be sexually reckless than Christians?

[Ben Kenobi]

Unless they're not aware of the dangers, which might easily be the case for many people in third world countries.

True, if they've been lied to and told that condoms will protect them from AIDS, I can see why they would be so furious with them.

[Ben Kenobi]

Your point being, Muslims are less likely to be sexually reckless than Christians?

Perhaps so. But there are examples of Christian countries, Uganda in particular that have also seen dropping rates. The only thing Uganda would have in common with the Muslim countries is that they both have stern deterrents against promiscuity.

[Last Conformist]

I doubt Islam per se has too much to do with it - ME countries have very low aids rates (or so they report), whereas places like Sudan and Mali have pretty high.

[Ben Kenobi]

Sudan is pretty evenly split between Muslims and Christians, but Mali is something I didn't know.

[Spiffor]

Yes, complex. Sexual promiscuity is a reality in most of western Africa, despite western Africa being largely Muslim. Men have a nagging tendancy at feeling that it is normal to have mistresses.

The promiscuity is probably not nearly as terrible as in South Africa (I'm not aware of a systematic rape problem in Senegal), but it's there nonetheless.

[Spiffor]

From your Link:

Mali
Religions: Muslim 90%, indigenous beliefs 9%, Christian 1%

[Winston]

Arafat died of AIDS.

Brontosauruses were thin at one end, very thick in the middle and then thin again at the far end.

Those are my two theories, I own them, and all that they are too.