If you thought the other mother was messed up...

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Lord Nuclear


Let's assume that this mother has absolutely no chance of improving and becoming a real person. Why should she drain on the tax payer's money? Why should a murderer, drug-addict, be kept alive, and drain on the efforts of some family in suburban America, with nice and kind people? Why should she live?

Because capital punishment in of itself is an unjustified pratice. No matter the severity of the crime or whether or not the criminal is mentally competent.

I believe that capital punishment is unjustified, because here in United States, the pratice of sentencing felons to execution has been shown to be inherently racist.

The second reason is because it has been shown that maintenance of death rown detainees has actually been shown to be MORE expensive than keeping criminals in prison for life.

A third reason I oppose capital punishment is the risk of a death row detainee who is innocent of the alleged crime, but ends up being executed anyway. To me, it doesn't matter that this terrible mistake happens infrequently -- it's not the quantity of these mistakes that counts, IMO because once the mistake is made in this regard, you cannot reverse the mistake.

You can find the information I'm referring to from Amnesty's official website.

[bipolarbear]

Even if keeping her alive meant taking away the taxpayer's money?

Who says that you can't make her work while she's in prison?

Make her pay for herself.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Lord Nuclear


It's stupid to compare human sacrifice to capital punishment. There is a large difference between killing innocent people in a cruel way, and killing mass-murderers in a pain-free way.

Is there that much of a qualitative difference?

Amnesty International can probably point to examples of botched "pain-free" lethal injections that went horribly wrong for the criminal. He's not innocent true, but it goes against your presumption that execution can be pain-free.

[Tassadar500]

Originally posted by MrFun


Because capital punishment in of itself is an unjustified pratice. No matter the severity of the crime or whether or not the criminal is mentally competent.

I believe that capital punishment is unjustified, because here in United States, the pratice of sentencing felons to execution has been shown to be inherently racist.

Racist? How is punishing someone racist?

The second reason is because it has been shown that maintenance of death rown detainees has actually been shown to be MORE expensive than keeping criminals in prison for life.

If that were true for this case, then I think she should be put in jail for life.

A third reason I oppose capital punishment is the risk of a death row detainee who is innocent of the alleged crime, but ends up being executed anyway. To me, it doesn't matter that this terrible mistake happens infrequently -- it's not the quantity of these mistakes that counts, IMO because once the mistake is made in this regard, you cannot reverse the mistake.

You can find the information I'm referring to from Amnesty's official website.

What if the evidence is obviously accurate? For example, if we caught Osama Bin Laden, got all the information that we could out of him, and his use was over, would you not support killing him?

[Tassadar500]

Originally posted by MrFun


Is there that much of a qualitative difference?

Amnesty International can probably point to examples of botched "pain-free" lethal injections that went horribly wrong for the criminal. He's not innocent true, but it goes against your presumption that execution can be pain-free.

Well, too bad. Hopefully, one day we can find a poison that has no chance of causing pain, but immediate death.

[Tassadar500]

Originally posted by bipolarbear


Who says that you can't make her work while she's in prison?

Make her pay for herself.

There's no way that could be done without a risk of her escaping. What work would it be plausible for her to do?

[MrFun]

Racist as in proportion of death sentences compared to whites with blacks. Take the same number of violent black felons and the same number of violent white felons -- a higher proportion of blacks in this case, are likely to be sentenced to death.

I think we can get greater satisfaction out of having Osamy sentenced to life-time solitary confinement. Just knowing he has to waste away the rest of his rotten life in a cell . . . . . .

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Lord Nuclear


Well, too bad. Hopefully, one day we can find a poison that has no chance of causing pain, but immediate death.

Wow -- what an impressive counter-argument.

[Tassadar500]

Originally posted by MrFun



Wow -- what an impressive counter-argument.

Well, I don't really care if some rapist, serial killer has some pain because of the rare chance of the poison not working. It isn't anything close to mass murder of innocent babies/children.

[Tassadar500]

Originally posted by MrFun
Racist as in proportion of death sentences compared to whites with blacks. Take the same number of violent black felons and the same number of violent white felons -- a higher proportion of blacks in this case, are likely to be sentenced to death.

I think we can get greater satisfaction out of having Osamy sentenced to life-time solitary confinement. Just knowing he has to waste away the rest of his rotten life in a cell . . . . . .

I'm not quite sure whether what you are saying is true or not, but I will assume it is. That's the problem with living in a society that has a racist background, and still has many racist problems today. Unless, the ratio is somthing like five blacks to one white, it might just be coincidental.

So I assume you would have absolutely no problem with torturing terrorists?

[MrFun]

How can you seriously not care? I thought civilization has advanced beyond cruel and unusual punishment.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Lord Nuclear


I'm not quite sure whether what you are saying is true or not, but I will assume it is. That's the problem with living in a society that has a racist background, and still has many racist problems today. Unless, the ratio is somthing like five blacks to one white, it might just be coincidental.

So I assume you would have absolutely no problem with torturing terrorists?

Visit Amnesty International's website and navigate to the relevant information.

[Tassadar500]

Originally posted by MrFun
How can you seriously not care? I thought civilization has advanced beyond cruel and unusual punishment.

I don't think they really cared when they raped that 10-year old boy, strangled him, then threw him in a ditch.

[Tassadar500]

Originally posted by MrFun

Visit Amnesty International's website and navigate to the relevant information.

Wow -- what an impressive counter-argument.

[MrFun]

You're letting your emotions interfere with rational thought.



EDIT: cross posting