Growing rift? UK+Europe

[Saras]

I'm sick of redistribution being the main EU goal. Yes, and I come from Lithuania. We can beat you, eventually, on a level playing field thank you very much, no need for free money. Free money corrupts. Just give us truly free movement of capital, services, labour and goods, and you'll see.

[Provost Harrison]

Netto?

[Saras]

SUPERNETTO!!

[DeathByTheSword]

Originally posted by Saras
I'm sick of redistribution being the main EU goal. Yes, and I come from Lithuania. We can beat you, eventually, on a level playing field thank you very much, no need for free money. Free money corrupts. Just give us truly free movement of capital, services, labour and goods, and you'll see.

eventually yes....but what do you want...want it in 100 years or in half the time...i am glad to help...i am socialist in almost every sense of the word...the broader shoulders should help the smaller ones...this has nothing to do with we are better then you so we need to help you...we just have had a head start (colonisation and imperialism)

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Netto?

Netto, the rich chav's Lidl.

[Saras]

Originally posted by DeathByTheSword
eventually yes....but what do you want...want it in 100 years or in half the time...i am glad to help...i am socialist in almost every sense of the word...the broader shoulders should help the smaller ones...this has nothing to do with we are better then you so we need to help you...we just have had a head start (colonisation and imperialism)

See, that's a common illusion, that somehow this free money will make us catch up faster. It may, or it may not - empirical evidence is MUTED on the issue. The heavily subsidised GREECE now has a lower average per capita income that new EU member Slovenia, for example.

What free money does to countries is the same what it does to people - it takes away incentives to try harder.

Mate, and your shoulders only look bigger; we've been through hell the last 50 years, we have a thirst to succeed and thus we try harder, and make sacrifices, and eventually we'll make you feel jealous just like we are now

[Atahualpa]

The Brits are just full of envy that nothing ever grows on their lovely island

[Saras]

The number of Burberry baseball caps grows exponentially

[DeathByTheSword]

Originally posted by Saras


See, that's a common illusion, that somehow this free money will make us catch up faster. It may, or it may not - empirical evidence is MUTED on the issue. The heavily subsidised GREECE now has a lower average per capita income that new EU member Slovenia, for example.

What free money does to countries is the same what it does to people - it takes away incentives to try harder.

Mate, and your shoulders only look bigger; we've been through hell the last 50 years, we have a thirst to succeed and thus we try harder, and make sacrifices, and eventually we'll make you feel jealous just like we are now

this can go two way...look at the ones heavy subsidised IRELAND...it is thriving now compared to before the subsidies...and about your thirst for succeeds...fine good luck and start impressing the hell out of 'us'

[Saras]

Originally posted by DeathByTheSword


this can go two way...look at the ones heavy subsidised IRELAND...it is thriving now compared to before the subsidies...and about your thirst for succeeds...fine good luck and start impressing the hell out of 'us'

Ireland is exceptional in many ways:

1. Proximity to UK, same language;
2. Attracted LOTS and LOTS of US FDI in high value-added sectors as well as R&D centers;
3. Managed to utilise EU aid in a very efficient manner.

I think that Lithuania, for example, will waste most if not all of the aid, so perhaps we should not get it in the first place, so that we don't spoil ourselves

[DeathByTheSword]

1. doesnt matter...lithuania has geographicly a much better position...in between finland, germany and russia and located on the east sea

2. have no idea what US FDI in high value-added sectors are...R&D...no idea but i trust you

3. that isnt an exception that is just smart fincansing

but heck if you dont want it ok...more for other countries that need help...or me

[Saras]

Originally posted by DeathByTheSword
1. doesnt matter...lithuania has geographicly a much better position...in between finland, germany and russia and located on the east sea

2. have no idea what US FDI in high value-added sectors are...R&D...no idea but i trust you

3. that isnt an exception that is just smart fincansing

but heck if you dont want it ok...more for other countries that need help...or me

you wish dude

by 3. I meant that culturally Ireland is much less corrupt. Hence, the aid was utilised at least on projects that really were needed and at normal market prices. Here, on the other hand...

1. I'd agree and disagree. It is much easier when you have a large, affluent market next door which speaks your language as opposed to 5-6 VERY different ones. Distribution and sales were much easier for the Irish in UK than for us in Russia and every single Scandi country.

[DeathByTheSword]

we have the same. here we have france the UK and germany around us...but we do far out our most dealings with germany...just pick the best market and stick with it for awhile...stability and rest is the best thing for a country to grow (peacefully that is )

[Bereta_Eder]

personally i think the rift between uk and europe which was actually a rift between the socialist oriented franco-german axis and the uk accompoanied with other dissenting voices like denmark and sweden but for different reasons each, has taken 2nd place to what is actually a deadly serious problem with the eu. and that's the ugly head of liberalism which combined with the ever present democratic deficit affects negaively many people and with a future to do so.

about the "rift", it's not so much of a new rift, it's just that as th eeu enters in a crisis the french which always had a much bigger influence in the eu than the english are scapegoating the UK. it would be good if people didnt fell for it. the problems are deeper than that

[Saras]

Originally posted by paiktis22
personally i think the rift between uk and europe which was actually a rift between the socialist oriented franco-german axis and the uk accompoanied with other dissenting voices like denmark and sweden but for different reasons each, has taken 2nd place to what is actually a deadly serious problem with the eu. and that's the ugly head of liberalism which combined with the ever present democratic deficit affects negaively many people and with a future to do so.

about the "rift", it's not so much of a new rift, it's just that as th eeu enters in a crisis the french which always had a much bigger influence in the eu than the english are scapegoating the UK. it would be good if people didnt fell for it. the problems are deeper than that

Oh please do sod off. It's liberalism which has brought Europe and European-rooted cultures to its current status in the world.