Alien abductees lose ally

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I suggest you were mistaken.

I figure my observations, recordings and notes trump your bald-ass assertion from 3000 miles away, especially when two other people saw the same thing with me.

And I don't even believe in little grey things drilling holes in crackers' teeth.

[Kuciwalker]

@ MtG

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by child of Thor
I can explain away some as drug enduced. But some accounts i've been told have been by very 'straight' people.

And from the sounds of it MtG wouldn't just make it up for a laugh - i believe him

First I thought it was a satellite, but it was moving in the wrong direction, then it started maneuvering, so I thought it was an experimental aircraft at high altitude (Vandenburg AFB isn't far away in terms of flight time, and this was offshore), until the aerobatic show got a little intense for that.

MCAS Miramar is real close, and after this thing was gone, I saw a couple of F/A 18's going off for a night training flight, and that gave me a real good base of comparison to what I'd just seen a few minutes before.

Whatever it was, it was damned interesting to see its behavior.

[alva]

Sure, you're not the alien?

[MichaeltheGreat]

If I was, and the taxi came by, do you think I'd still stick around here?

[DanS]

How swift were the acrobatic maneuvers? There's probably a lot of lighter-than-air vehicle research that they aren't making public.

I have heard of flying saucer research going back decades, but as far as I gathered, they don't really have good tech on that yet.

[Lancer]

Mike, I've lent my considerable credability, and my personal story, to your assertion and still people disbelieve. Go figure.

Get used to it btw.

Were they skull sucking locust aliens or just run of the mill greys?

[MrFun]

You guys who are refuting MTG, I have a question for you.

WHAT is there to refute, from MTG's posts? He has said that he does not know what he saw -- he's not making a hasty, absolute claim that it was an extraterrestrial spacecraft.

[Lancer]

No, MrFun is right. It might have been Ronald McDonald doing some test flying in his new 'McSaucer'.

[MrFun]

Yes, exactly my point!

[Adam Smith]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
Non-random vector and velocity changes over an extended period of time and significant arc of the sky (approximately 40° observed straightline flight, then a 10° by 15° box)

Aerobatic maneuvers far beyond the capability of any manned flight and far beyond the flight performance envelope of any UAV.

No aspect or luminance changes on a resolvable disk light source of about 45 arc-seconds diameter, until a straight vector change with linear dimming for two minutes and twenty seconds.

Color of light source did not correspond to any signal or navigation light, or any color of light from combustion of any aviation or rocketry fuel source - not even similar.

Based on the times to make different arc transits in the sky, I did some quick calculations of distance v. velocity, and then estimated a minimum distance based on lack of sound, and total inability with very high end binoculars to resolve anything beyond a single light source, even when the object passed in front of other light sources, I came up with some size v. distance estimates.

The range of possibilities totally eliminated any UAVs, the uniformity and invariance of the light source plus non-random vector changes eliminate any natural phenomena I've ever heard of, and the rate of vector change and distance/speed and size/distance estimates eliminated any manned aircraft.

So I'm open to any further suggestions.

1. It's a firefly.
2. Go a little lighter on the tequila amigo.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by DanS
How swift were the acrobatic maneuvers? There's probably a lot of lighter-than-air vehicle research that they aren't making public.

I have heard of flying saucer research going back decades, but as far as I gathered, they don't really have good tech on that yet.

Apparent changes in vector in the range from 70° to 110° in a fraction of a second, while the object was moving across the sky in excess of 1° of arc per second, all the way to extreme low apparent speed maneuvers - almost a dead stop and sharp angular movements in three dimensions - at least it appeared from the ground to be a perspective view of a series of 90° degree maneuvers.

In the alley out back there's a power line that has very little sag on the low voltage wires - they're almost but not quite straight line, and that was another good visual set up for checking out the directionality of the movement.

The other problem with lighter than air or UAVs is that in order to see it at all at night, it would have to be a lot closer than a larger object, and then the "light" should have had some visible flicker or illumination change, and when it passed in front of a star (twice), I should have seen some sort of silhouette with binoculars.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Adam Smith
1. It's a firefly.
2. Go a little lighter on the tequila amigo.

1. That was one hell of a firefly.
2. My tequila of choice is Herradura silver. Can't get much lighter than that.

[child of Thor]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
edit.......

s - almost a dead stop and sharp angular movements in three dimensions - at least it appeared from the ground to be a perspective view of a series of 90° degree maneuvers.

edit.......

That sounds very much like my friends description, although he saw his 'ufo' in daylight walking his dog down a country lane in devon. He thought it was about the size of a cricket ball at first - he saw it just over the hedge line. It was silver/light grey and seemed to be hovering then proceded to do a few high speed moves like you mentioned. After maybe a minute it just went straight up incredibly fast and was lost from his sight.

He's now a finacial advisor and sticks by his story, even after all the grief the rest of his buddies(me included) gave him over the years

[Last Conformist]

I'm not disputing that MtG saw something. I'm reserving the liberty to doubt he's got a very good handle on how quick it moved, how constant the brightness was, etc.