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  • #91
    Originally posted by chegitz guevara

    That is capitalism.
    Wrong. The capitalist doesn't like a kleptocratic government any more then anyone else because a lawless government which steals everything also steals from the capitalist. Capitalists prefer nice stable governments which protect property rights.
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    • #92
      Originally posted by Oerdin
      Most of the indians never see the inside of a school much less get a quality education.

      ...

      The only option is to try and attract private capital which will only work if the private company is allowed to make a reasonable return on their investment. Comprende?
      Let's see...

      They don't educate the people, and so the people need them. Duh'! That's how it works. That's capitalism!
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      • #93
        Originally posted by Last Conformist
        You don't see a difference 'tween American-style capitalism and Zaire-style kleptocracy?
        Do you just call capitalism where the majority of the people are poor kleptocracy or do you actually have something to back that up?
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        • #94
          from article in the OP:

          "Mesa's resignation, if accepted by Congress, could ultimately usher in new elections, raising the prospect of Bolivia becoming the seventh Latin American country to move to a leftist government suspicious of U.S. intentions in the region."


          Looks like we will have to intervene again, in order to impress upon the people the benevolence of inequality, over-exploitation, and economic stagnation.
          A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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          • #95
            For some reason, I'm reminded of the American who asked a Spanish friend of mine if Spain was located next to Bolivia.
            Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Last Conformist
              For some reason, I'm reminded of the American who asked a Spanish friend of mine if Spain was located next to Bolivia.
              I'm convinced many people get tired of the snide sarcasms so many Euros have towards Americans and they decided just to screw around and have fun with the stereo types Euros have.
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              • #97
                Shh. We don't want to offend the smelly, smoker Euros who only bathe once a week....
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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Oerdin


                  I'm convinced many people get tired of the snide sarcasms so many Euros have towards Americans and they decided just to screw around and have fun with the stereo types Euros have.
                  Just like Europeans get tired of the anti-European or anti-French jokes from Americans.

                  I completely understand -- from both perspectives.
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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Oerdin


                    I'm convinced many people get tired of the snide sarcasms so many Euros have towards Americans and they decided just to screw around and have fun with the stereo types Euros have.
                    No doubt, tho I'll take the liberty to doubt it applies in the case I mentioned.
                    Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                    It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
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                    • IIRC, the gov't gave a company rights to their natural gas charging a flat rate based on the expectation that there'd be a relatively little gas. After some exploration, it turned out that there was something like 100 times more gas than the deal suggested. So the Bolivian poor are naturally pissed off regarding the gov't's flat rate giveaway of their resources, seeing as how they wouldn't have gotten anything out of it. Then there are things like the gov't's oppressive coca policy (free markets only goes so far, I suppose).

                      But never mind that; oh noes, the dirty, ignorant natives just want to destroy the economy.
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                      • Um? According to the article, the deal was 18% of gross revenue and 32% of profits.
                        Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                        It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
                        The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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                        • It looks like the 32% was just added in the past couple weeks due to the protests.
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                          • If so, 18% of gross revenue still isn't a flat rate.
                            Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                            It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
                            The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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                            • It looks like the fee for the rights to extract these resources was flat, and that another tax is involved.
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                              • Originally posted by Oerdin


                                Well, several of the links previously posted said Coca cultivation has long been outlawed but the law wasn't enforced. On of the hallmarks of the government over the last 5-10 years has been hostility towards coca production and the pushing of alternative crops.
                                In that case those articles are badly innacurate.
                                There's a certain quota of coca that is legally produced for domestic consuption (for chewing and tea, not cocaine). This quota was very very badly enforced in the past and the government must be taking moves to enforce this quota.
                                There's no way that domestic consumption of coca could be banned, the whole country would go ape****. It'd be like banning tea in England.
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