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before this becomes your typical cap/com debate, it should be noted that Argentina and especially Brazil have moderate leftist govts which combine a commitment to social justice with an awareness of economic reality. Of course Argentina and Brazil dont have massive quantities of hydrocarbons.
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Originally posted by Oerdin
A traditional crop or not it is illegal in Bolivia to grow Cocaine. This is a law enforcement issue.
The point is that farmers who are denied growing a traditional crop are widely considered to be worthy of sympathy.
Additionally, outlawing coca in Bolivia is stupid.
Also no has claimed that the opposition wants to keep everyone poor; what has been claimed is that their policies & demands make no economic sense and will result in everyone becoming poorer. It's just the classic bleeding heart socialist nonsense which has failed every time it has ever been tried.
And people accuse me of being overly literal ...
As should've been obvious, I meant they seem to be determined to pursue policies that wil keepl everyone poor.Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
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I just love it when Kidicious gives people economic advice.Originally posted by Kidicious
Do you have a straight face when you say that? Neo-liberalism is what's failing in this case.
Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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If Kid is richer than me (which seems likely, considering he's older than me, and I'm a student living in a country not as rich as his), oughtn't he give me money?Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- ElokComment
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I'm not sure about giving it out for free, but I think you could make something like that work. I don't know the plan though.Originally posted by lord of the mark
I think neo-liberalism is in fact silent on exactly what the best price is for selling natural gas concessions. Its not optimal to hand anything out for free (better to sell it and hand out the proceeds) but if they want to take the loss, they can.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett KavanaughComment
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Originally posted by Last Conformist
Originally posted by Oerdin
A traditional crop or not it is illegal in Bolivia to grow Cocaine. This is a law enforcement issue.
The point is that farmers who are denied growing a traditional crop are widely considered to be worthy of sympathy.
Have these farmers turned down "nontraditional" prices they were offered? Or were they happy enough with globalization?"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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I shouldn't... butOriginally posted by Lancer
The indians should rely on their heretage and open a casino. 
Only feebs vote.Comment
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No. Oerdin should.Originally posted by Last Conformist
If Kid is richer than me (which seems likely, considering he's older than me, and I'm a student living in a country not as rich as his), oughtn't he give me money?I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett KavanaughComment
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Originally posted by Oerdin
I just love it when Kidicious gives people economic advice.
You say that everytime you say something stupid about economics and I catch you.
I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett KavanaughComment
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I don't know, but my money would be on them being much of favour of globalization in this regard.Originally posted by lord of the mark
Have these farmers turned down "nontraditional" prices they were offered? Or were they happy enough with globalization?
So, your position is that growers of traditional crops are not worthy of sympathy if denied to continue growing it if the ban was preceeded by a price hike due to globalization? Sorry, I can't agree with that.Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- ElokComment
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Kid:Why should Oerdin suffer for you being radical chic?No. Oerdin should.Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- ElokComment
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Kid,
Please point out something stupid I've said about economics. I've said nationalizing companies without compensation and giving away gas for free (instead of selling it for hard cash) isn't a good policy since it will discourage investmant and virtually prevent the development of the gas sector. Seeings how this amount to the single largest export for Bolivia by far and a cool 50% of revenue goes to the state this would be a huge revenue source for the Federal and local governments if properly exploited. The demands of the socialists will likely result in the gas fields not being fully exploited though if their demands are carried out.
You on the other hand have been cheering for a policy which will prevent economic development and keep people dirt poor. I guess that's you choice though.Last edited by Dinner; June 7, 2005, 18:26.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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Once you understand that, you understand Kid.Originally posted by Last Conformist
Kid:Why should Oerdin suffer for you being radical chic?No. Oerdin should.“It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”
― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of ManComment
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Regarding gas industry nationalisation, all the main left-wing parties have stopped short of actually demanding it. It's popular on the street, but not amongst politicians. A bit like rail nationalisation in Britain.Comment
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they grew a traditional crop, for which they probably got a meager amount of money, and they probably grew in small amounts as a supplement to subsistence food crops. Then, due to global drug trade, they get large amounts of money, and the small supplement becomes a cash crop - the global drug trade however triggers social problems in the receiving nations, which then want the crop eliminated. And THEN the farmers complain? ****, i got no sympathy for them.Originally posted by Last Conformist
I don't know, but my money would be on them being much of favour of globalization in this regard.
So, your position is that growers of traditional crops are not worthy of sympathy if denied to continue growing it if the ban was preceeded by a price hike due to globalization? Sorry, I can't agree with that.
You live by the market, you die by the market."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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