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Originally posted by Q Cubed
Suffering leads to enlightenment.
Isn't that what some religions say?
Americans obviously helped this child on his path towards salvation.
MrFun, why do you hate America?
Yes, it's true I hate my own country. If questiong the ridiculous idea of collateral damage means hating one's own country . . . . . . .
or questioning anything for that matter.
(yes, I know you're being sarcastic)
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I seriously agree that thes pics is terrifying to see, but I miss som taken in the torture chambers that saddam maintained. Maybe some pics of how some of the newly revealed massgraves that was made under his regime would be some kind of enlightning.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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Oh, MrFun, that second picture is just a hoax. She's sleeping. On a metal pan.
It's good for the back, you know.B♭3Comment
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America: spreading freedom, democracy, and chiropracty.Originally posted by Q Cubed
Oh, MrFun, that second picture is just a hoax. She's sleeping. On a metal pan.
It's good for the back, you know.
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Saddam Hussein was a blood-thirsty, corrupt, repressive dictator, I agree.Originally posted by BlackCat
I seriously agree that thes pics is terrifying to see, but I miss som taken in the torture chambers that saddam maintained. Maybe some pics of how some of the newly revealed massgraves that was made under his regime would be some kind of enlightning.
But does the necessity of overthrowing him means that we need to whitewash our own activities with such nice, sterile words as "collateral damage" when we're talking about burnt, and mutilated children?A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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No. The problem is that some people think, when seeing such pictures, that we should never had done anything - totally ignoring what else was happening.Originally posted by MrFun
Saddam Hussein was a blood-thirsty, corrupt, repressive dictator, I agree.
But does the necessity of overthrowing him means that we need to whitewash our own activities with such nice, sterile words as "collateral damage" when we're talking about burnt, and mutilated children?
We have a local politician that claimed that the blood of such victims as shown are on our hands, but what was his solution ? I think that his solution was much worse, because he would have allowed saddam to continue his regime and maybe some day saddam could be persuaded to be a nice person.
Personally, I don't like what has happend to people in the Iraqui liberation, but I certainly would have felt worse knowing what would happen if Iraq hadn't been liberated.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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I think in the end, the Iraqis will be better off -- but that is years down the road. What I don't like, is when some people white wash the reality of war.Originally posted by BlackCat
No. The problem is that some people think, when seeing such pictures, that we should never had done anything - totally ignoring what else was happening.
We have a local politician that claimed that the blood of such victims as shown are on our hands, but what was his solution ? I think that his solution was much worse, because he would have allowed saddam to continue his regime and maybe some day saddam could be persuaded to be a nice person.
Personally, I don't like what has happend to people in the Iraqui liberation, but I certainly would have felt worse knowing what would happen if Iraq hadn't been liberated.A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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Quite agree - the results of war must not be hidden, otherwise some jerks may think that war is the solution to all problems. On the other side, people has a tendency to ignore those pictures that are the reality (but never taken) when regimes like saddam are allowed to continue, Those "nontaken" pictures seldom disturbs people angry about war pictures.Originally posted by MrFun
I think in the end, the Iraqis will be better off -- but that is years down the road. What I don't like, is when some people white wash the reality of war.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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That's what Yoda say!Originally posted by Q Cubed
Suffering leads to enlightenment.
Isn't that what some religions say?
A true ally stabs you in the front.
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Originally posted by Muad'Dib
I know more about the subject than the combined knowleged of any 10 of you. From relatives, friends fathers, Vets that I'm friends with. I doubt seriously if any of you have that much 1st hand knowledge.
Well, I guess that ends all discussion then, if you know more than 10 of us [even though you have no idea who any of us are IRL, but let's not fall over such minor details]. Everything you say must be right and there cannot possibly be any alternative point of view, how could I not see that? I apologise for even doubting your infinite wisdom. I'm glad the world can still be so simply black-and-white like that sometimes, that's so very nice to see...
Tiny little question though, out of curiosity: how many of those friends you speak of are Vietnamese?Comment
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Originally posted by MrFun
Yes, it's true I hate my own country.
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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Originally posted by MrFun
Yes, it's true I hate my own country.
QFT...
Darling, you can even put it in your sig line if it gives you a hard-on.
A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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at Mua'dib for making sure his manners utterly destroyed his arguement, was far as his arguement ever existed.
But there will come a time when German kids no longer really knmow much about the Holocaust. Lets not kid ourselves, time moves on, and you simply can;t endlessly pontificate about an event, no matter the event, without it losing all emotional meaning.
Then there is the added problem that the Holocaust is only one of an endless series of horrors man has influicted upon man, and all the "never again"'s chanted have actually done nothing to prevent it from happening again (at least two obvious genocides since the Holocaust).
There is finally of course the problem that the Holocaust is really a Euro-American centric disaster. As power shifts from the West eastward the value of the memory of the Holocaust will diminish. The people's of Asia and Africa have no real emotional connection to the Holocaust whatsoever.If you don't like reality, change it! me
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It doesn't matter what ethincity you are or what part of the world you live in -- as long as you're human with some sense of decency and integrity, you can appreciate the magnitude of the horror of the Holocaust.
The Holocaust's legacy ought to be a message to all of the world's humanity -- not just Americans and Europeans.A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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