English town too disturbingly white

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Why have you persisted in focussing on the thoeries that blacks are less intelligent and more likely to be criminals, Cal?

Let's not fanny around here- those are the ones you've really got a straining erection for.

I'll answer your questions as soon as you answer a few more of mine.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

But yours are so very dull, Cal. Make them more interesting.

[Caligastia]

Sorry, but I don't quite have your flair for sarcasm.

As usual I'm willing to treat you with far more respect than you are willing to give in return....looks like this will be another one that goes nowhere.

[Worthingtons]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Basic human decency, Cal.

What a poor argument, always turning to emotional appeals (i'm a nicer guy, I must be right) when scientific evidence is much to the contrary. It is blantently obvious there are differences, and not all of them can be put down to living conditions and current environmental factors.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Caligastia
Laz & Horse -

I might ask you the same question. What caused you to come to the conclusion that all racial groups are "the same under the skin"?

Various studies ive seen on the questionability of correlations among genetic charecteristics. I recognize there are some conflicting scientific opinions, but I use a Bayesian prior based on my personal experiences of people of different "racial" and cultural backgrounds.

I cant say Im 100% sure that there are zero correlations between traditional racial classifications and psychological traits. I CAN say, that most nature vs nurture debates tend to leave out organic but non-genetic factors (like prenatal nutrition), that racial categories are arbitrary (US "blacks" as a group are reportedly 20% European by origin, according to some studies, and US "whites" as a group have not insignificant amounts of African ancestry. I can say there is sufficient evidence against racialist correlations, and the consequences of accepting such correlations if they are wrong are so negative, that my working hypothesis in life is that they are not there.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Caligastia


I Despite decades of racial preferences, minority Americans still struggle. Yet according to you this is all whitey's fault.

Its quite possibly the fault of the normal tendency of personality and cultural traits to be passed down by upbringing, independent of genetics.

Alternatively some would say that racial preferences have made it harder for minorities, by aggravating (untrue) stereotypes about them.

Alternatively one might look at the statistics, and note that blacks incomes, educational levels, etc have risen dramatically in the US in the last few decades. Neither the left, which wants to deny progress in the US, nor the racialist right, will acknowledge that, I suspect.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Caligastia
I might ask you the same question. What caused you to come to the conclusion that all racial groups are "the same under the skin"?

Because people don't think with their skins?

[Caligastia]

LOTM-

I think the greater danger lies in the assumption of racial equality. Look back a few posts to see why.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Sandman


Because people don't think with their skins?

You assume that all racial groups think alike.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Caligastia
LOTM-

I think the greater danger lies in the assumption of racial equality. Look back a few posts to see why.

what, that the assumption of racial equality leads to preferences? I dont see that. Lots of Americans believe in racial equality, and oppose racial preferences.

[Sandman]

Is a highly intelligent black person less black?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Caligastia


You assume that all racial groups think alike.

racial groups dont think. Individuals do. To some extent they are influenced by their cultures. I see no evidence that people from different racial groups think differently apart from their cultures. Do black skinned sunni muslim arabs in Egypt think differently from lighter skinned sunni muslim arabs in Syria? Do they think more like black skinned american Baptists? Do black skinned african american baptists and light skinned african american baptists think more alike, or light skinned african american baptists, and light skinned african american episcopalians?

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


Its quite possibly the fault of the normal tendency of personality and cultural traits to be passed down by upbringing, independent of genetics.

Twin studies have proven that behaviour is at least 50% genetic.

Alternatively some would say that racial preferences have made it harder for minorities, by aggravating (untrue) stereotypes about them.

Undoubtedly this is true.

Alternatively one might look at the statistics, and note that blacks incomes, educational levels, etc have risen dramatically in the US in the last few decades. Neither the left, which wants to deny progress in the US, nor the racialist right, will acknowledge that, I suspect.

You should have a read of Thomas Sowell's AA book. Things have actually been going downhill for blacks in the US in the last few decades. I don't have the book on me, but I might have time to dig up the reference to the relevant stats later on.

[Japher]

Is a highly intelligent black person less black?

He would be called an "oreo"; black on the outside, white on the inside. It is considered an insult, and is not only used by white ppl who wish to oppress the black man. Black ppl also use it to indicate their lack of respect for any nigga who doesn't rap, play ball, or live in the hood.

Ain't too proud?! Please my brotha! You too proud and then some!

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


what, that the assumption of racial equality leads to preferences? I dont see that. Lots of Americans believe in racial equality, and oppose racial preferences.

The introduction of racial preferences is always "justified" by unequal outcomes. If the unequal outcomes were viewed as possibly being a result of average group differences, there would be no "justification" for racial preferences.