Italian charged with defaming Islam

[MrFun]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Bull****! Our civilization is superior. Whether you measure by how we treat women or homosexuals or freedom of thought or freedom of religion or standard of living or not having to wear bushy moustaches, Western civilization is clearly superior.

What about historically speaking? Can we say then that Islamic civilization was superior to Western civilization in the 9th and 10th centuries, when European intellectual development paled in comparison to Islamic caliphates?

[chequita guevara]

I would.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


So she can be prosecuted for speaking the truth? Nice set up you have in Europe. It's nie to know that while Europe is generally better than the U.S., we still have some areas where we are better than you.

the more i get to know you the more i get a feeling you're not really something, and a closet racist as well btw.
sometimes the opposites of what one claims are truw about himself

you have no clue do you?


"speaking the truth?" is that what you really understood che?

jesus

[Bereta_Eder]

how is she speaking the truth?
that islam is a religion of hatred?
so that's the truth eh?

prove it.
then again don't you already showed your limitations

[Pekka]

No that's not the point. THAT exact part I wouldn't say is the truth part. But it's connected with the FACT that terrorist have killed, islamic terrorist have killed bunch of people and the world of islam is not exactly being tough on the terrorism at all. Some are even supporting it. Now, she says tough words, but if you get prosecuted for saying it like that, then there's something seriously wrong in our open society.

For example, you can say that about Christians and anyone else. No problem. People will get their panties on twist, but NO prosecution you can bet your money on that.

[chequita guevara]

As much as I hate saying this, Pekka is right.

[Bereta_Eder]

prove that "islam is a religion of hate"

[chequita guevara]

Go defame Islam in an Islamic country. You'll have your proof.

What happens to Islamic apostates in Islamic countries?

[Bereta_Eder]

cluelessness abounds.
you dont even have ONE muslim country as neighboor do you?
all you get is what your media feeds you. silamic terorists this that want to polute our bodily fluids. now add to that a bit of superiority syndrome and you have your cake all baked up to eat it.
or even see muslim immigrants and put your frustration on their religion

things are much more complicated than those oh so nice little simplifications made for lazy minds.

islam or whatever else can be used as a vehicle for whatever means. communism, capitalism etc the list is endless.
now if you can prove that "islam is a religion of hate" we wont bust your ass in jail. if you cant (and you cant) you are definitely can be persecuted for slander. it's as simple.

[DanS]

You see, that's bull****. She can slander Islam all she wants. It might be incorrect and even condemnable, but as said, it's none of the government's goddman business that she said it.

Is the law there to wipe our bottoms as well?

[Pekka]

if I call you a bastard and hate person, and I don't have to prove it, do I go to jail? If I call all your friends too? I might get my ass kicked, but I don't go to jail for it.

If I call the whole country bastard stupid hate country, I don't go to jail, if I do the same for Europe, I don't go to jail.

I say Christianity has brought most destruction of all religions in numbers of people killed (fact) and it's basically a hateful religion against other religions claiming to be superior to the rest of them, DO I GET MY ASS IN JAIL? NO I DO NOT?

You see, we have a double standard in here.

It's not 'protecting religion'. **** what is that, I never heard of protecting religion?!?!? Where is this special law, I have never ever heard of it and if I now hear about it, I have to say I'm disappointed.

[chequita guevara]

Go ahead, think what you want.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by DanS
You see, that's bull****. She can slander Islam all she wants. It might be incorrect and even condemnable, but as said, it's none of the government's goddman business that she said it.

the government are the people. the people are offended. the government should act. you have a lockesque approach to gov. that has much to be envious about.

freedom of speech is not synonymous with slander.

[chequita guevara]

I and DanS and Pekka can all agree, then obviously we're right, because we never agree.

[Pekka]

And for the fact that some extremists now think she can be killed and it's all cool doesn't make it an excuse for citizens to deny their right to talk ****!

The problem is the EXTREMISTS. Never should we forget that. If they start bombing stuff because someone said allah is pedophile, is it the fault of the one who said it, or the one who bombed? I'm sorry, maybe our European way of life wasn't good enough for you Mr. Terrorist, I think we might have offended you and your way of life. Don't worry we will condemn strongly the bastard who talked crap about you.

My suggestion is we keep talking trash if we want to, and if someone gets offended and actually walks the walk, then we just shoot them and continue business as usual.