Italian charged with defaming Islam

[Pyrodrew]

I love the freedom to insult someone's deep beliefs. It's why I come to Poly.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Az

and I dont? (Albania, south Bulgaria, Turkey, Egypt)

egypt that's almost 1000kms from you!!

nice place

Islam is not evil as a religion, because the truth is religions can and were used for a myriad of causes, from freeing slaves to genocide. The culture and society that it's followers have spread, OTOH, is, quite frankly, dangerous.

With that I agree with some addition.
Not all its followers not all its societies etc do that.
other religions do that too with many more dead even though more advanced technically. (not talking jewish religion here, generally)

and that negates "the islam is evil" thing IMO

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Pyrodrew
I love the freedom to insult someone's deep beliefs. It's why I come to Poly.

I wish you'd change your avatar. Everytime I see you, I at first think you're Patroklos or the diplomat, so I expect you to say something stupid.

[Az]

All of this is meaningless beating around the bush. The questions are:

-Are the muslim societies of the middle east mistreating vast parts of their population? Yes.
-Do the muslim societies of the middle east present danger to us? Yes.

QE-****ing-D. evil, and dangerous to us -> must be destroyed via propoganda, leaflets, mindrays, you name it.

[Pekka]

Az, oh but you can't say that! People might hurt their feelings!

[Bereta_Eder]

AFAIK deep beliefs are ok.

but there are a number of things that can be absolutely persecutable.

slander is one.
swearing is two.


If i call you a damn **** whatever (pancy, w*nker etc) you have the right to sue me.
If I insult your parents or your family you have the right to sue me.

If I insult your religious believes (not only am I socially hideous) you can sue me too.

There are some things that the law was recognized as core for the human dignity. those you are not allowed to mock with freedom, because in a way you are trumbling on someone else's dignity.

I think that's a more perfected freedom of speech than the american model, where one can say anything and be hidden behind the freedom of speech. that's just my opinion.


and it has to be a fine balance between freedom of speech and respecting other peoples' core dignity.

[Pekka]

Maybe in Greece. IN here you can't. Fortunately. I mean sure you can try but it would be waste of time, money and your own personal reputation.

Show the laws of those. Even to this date you have failed to deliver the exact laws. We say they don't exist. We are right as long as you can't provide them.

[Pekka]

And swearing is persecutable offense? What the **** are you talking about?

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Pekka
Maybe in Greece. IN here you can't. Fortunately. I mean sure you can try but it would be waste of time, money and your own personal reputation.

You have those laws too pekka. Holland has them, plenty of other european coutnries have them, how come finland doesnt have them? would be very strange

[Pekka]

You show the laws and I believe they exist.

So far, you have nto shown us anything, expect saying nay nay nay when everyone else has been calling you for it.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Pekka
And swearing is persecutable offense? What the **** are you talking about?

insulting one is

you trumble on his basic dignity.
so ass in jail!!!

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Pekka
You show the laws and I believe they exist.

So far, you have nto shown us anything, expect saying nay nay nay when everyone else has been calling you for it.

only you have called for these laws. which they do exist but im bored to find them for you. search the constitution of whatever european country. look for i dont know human dignity, defamation etc and you'll find them - or the basis for them. then you have to look for law books.

[Pekka]

basic dignity? And who defines that? The law of the universal?

Come on man..

Yeah we have all called that you are not RIGHT. I am the only one saying you are wrong until you prove you are right. I know they aren't there, so why would I go through law books wasting my time looking for something tha tisn't there .

I know defamantion is, and all that crap, but YOU are interpreting like a mother****er thinking it applies to everything you feel like. WE KNOW what it applies to, it applies to cases where there is damage done!

Like Che already told you. And the rest of the people.

[Pekka]

I guess we shouldn't call Scientology bull**** either, because, well, it's a religion.



Let's see if the Scientologists can sue me for that. I say it's a religion that makes you a pedophile, based on false beliefs that only wants to steal your money.

[Az]

I guess we shouldn't call Scientology bull**** either, because, well, it's a religion.

PWNED!