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No, I have a problem with this, only it pisses me off to see that things can be said about Muslims that can't about Blacks or Jews. I hate double standards, but I happen to believe that as long as it's only talk, it can't really hurt (so I disagree with her being sued).
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You can prove that they are qualitatively identical?Originally posted by MrFun
Saying that Western civilization is superior to Islamic civilization is not true. Neither is superior to the other.He's got the Midas touch.
But he touched it too much!
Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!Comment
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I'm not sure why everyone is so suprised. Bigotry against ethic and religious groups is generally illegal in Europe (and saying that Islam "sows hatred in the place of love and slavery in the place of freedom" sure sounds like that). I'd assume that Italy's no different. But yes, legislating against bigotted speech is idiotic. Free speech.
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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nd saying that Islam "sows hatred in the place of love and slavery in the place of freedom" sure sounds like that
That sounds quite literally true.Comment
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Only because you've lived a sheltered life among your 26 bathrooms."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Appropriate Kucitroll = 9/10
"I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- DisComment
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really, wowOriginally posted by Oncle Boris
Comrade, have you forgotten that the "Enlightenment" is what brought most moral and metaphysical prejudices at the root of the idea of private property?
Most contemporary marxist thinkers are, actually, quite anti-enlightenment.
"The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de BottonComment
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i dont believe it. it has many loopholes and is a recent fabrication.Originally posted by JohnT
Che, don't forget that you're arguing with a person who doesn't "believe" in the concept of "Western Civilization."
You're not even speaking the same language when such a gulf exists.Comment
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ZING!Originally posted by Ramo
Only because you've lived a sheltered life among your 26 bathrooms.
Tutto nel mondo è burlaComment
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che talking about islam and every one that happens to pass around throws a thought.
noone lives next to muslim countries, noone probably even been near a muslim exxcept their immigrants and under those circumstances, nobody knows how and how much a role it plays in the life of people.
and they talk and talk and talk about how it is baaaad. yet another uniting fibre in the so very important quest for unity and homogenuity in those parts.
too bad the laws are inadequate there and people are allolwed to offend the religious feeling of their fellow people. but i geuss they think they're terrorists so its ok and they're so free so they do it.Comment
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I do wonder though -- if Islam is inherently evil as some posters here claim, does this make every Muslim individual evil? No matter how secular or religious they are? No matter how kind-hearted and open-minded they are?A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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I dont know. Legislating against group libel is one thing - its saying something about a group of people, and is justified (sorta) as an extension of traditional libel. But saying "Islam is X" is different, logically, than saying "muslims are X". Now youre legislating against criticism of a thought system, an ideology, if you will. Can you no longer say that Christianity caused the death of millions of muslims, pagans and Jews? Can you no longer say that the bible, read literally, is disproven by Darwin? Where do you draw the line exactly? This is very dangerous ground, I think.Originally posted by Ramo
I'm not sure why everyone is so suprised. Bigotry against ethic and religious groups is generally illegal in Europe (and saying that Islam "sows hatred in the place of love and slavery in the place of freedom" sure sounds like that). I'd assume that Italy's no different. But yes, legislating against bigotted speech is idiotic. Free speech.
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Read Oncle Boris' post. The text apparently does say things about Muslims. It says things against Islam and then transposes them on Muslims.Originally posted by lord of the mark
I dont know. Legislating against group libel is one thing - its saying something about a group of people, and is justified (sorta) as an extension of traditional libel. But saying "Islam is X" is different, logically, than saying "muslims are X".
Ramo is correct, and I can't believe it took THAT long for someone to bring it up. Europe's hate speech laws are FAR more stringent than the US's. Inciting religious hatred is a crime in most European states.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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"I can't bother to read those 5 pages of thread to see if it's been said, but I read once a translation of a part of her book, it was really hateful, depicting Muslims as pigs, appealing to mass murder, etc."Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Read Oncle Boris' post. The text apparently does say things about Muslims. It says things against Islam and then transposes them on Muslims.
Ramo is correct, and I can't believe it took THAT long for someone to bring it up. Europe's hate speech laws are FAR more stringent than the US's. Inciting religious hatred is a crime in most European states.
Its real hard to tell whats in her book from that, Im afraid."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Which is a real shame. I would have expected those laws to be temporary.Ramo is correct, and I can't believe it took THAT long for someone to bring it up. Europe's hate speech laws are FAR more stringent than the US's.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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