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[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Who says they are participating in heated discussions? A casual watcher of Star Wars can't pick his favorite movie in Kaak's poll?

I'm still waiting to hear how Kaak's thread (which had the participation of, oh, six people or so when you cited it) is in any way relevant to this argument. Tubes already pointed out why it isn't.

Cause NO ONE has complained about his usage. Everyone has treated it as normal.

This in no way validates the claim you have that everyone knows/refers to the 1977 film as Ep 4 or ANH. All it shows is that a few people participated in an online thread in which the titling of the movies wasn't even an issue. What is your point?

The issue is, do most people out there in the real world know the first movie as "Star Wars" or as "Ep 4" or "ANH."

No, that isn't the issue. The issue is what do most people call the first movie when discussing the entire body of movies and how do they differentiate it.

Uh, no...that's you're current goal-post moving attempt to weasel out of the corner you're in. The issue that I clearly stated from the outset is that most people refer to the original film as "Star Wars." If clarification is needed, most will say "The original one" or "the first one." Only a minority of people who are fans of the series will talk about episode number or ANH. So far, I've demonstrated this ably and you've been completely unable to offer counterevidence.

You said back on page 3 that most people think of the first movie as "Star Wars", period! Ie, they don't have any idea of it being "Episode 4" in the series (hard to believe since everyone I know has called a Star Wars movie "Episode X" at least once).

First, I didn't post anything on page 3. It was page 4. Second your Argument from Incredulity holds little water in the face of the fact that your experiences aren't universal, and you've yet to provide a shred of evidence other than personal testimony (which I find no reason to believe) for your silly claims. I reitierate: All you're providing for an argument is "No it isn't!"

That you've heard everyone you know call "a Star Wars movie" by the episode number isn't hard to imagine, since Ep 1-3 have explicitley been branded as such. But we're not talking about them, we're talking about the 1977 film, which until 2000 has never, ever been marketed by episode number or ANH, and which I grew up calling simply "Star Wars," as did everyone else, and this was supported by movie listings, TV Guide listings, merchandising, posters, toys, etc.

HELLO, the crawl perhaps? As JohnT said, he was 'shocked' that the episode number came up in ESB. If he remembers it with such surprise, don't you think other people do as well?

JohnT is an UBERFAN, as he himself readily says. How many times to we have to go over that this isn't about what the uberfans think, it's about the population at large. The fact that JohnT IS an Uberfan and disagrees with you should make you reconsider using this as support.

Of course the crawl is important! In the serial nature that Lucas had in mind, that was the title of the episode in the grand space opera. People wondered what came before and after. In the mid 90s people were wanting Lucas to complete his master plan and do 1, 2, 3 and 7, 8, 9. Of course Lucas says he's going to stop with 3, but that doesn't mean that people didn't know about the trilogy of trilogies back then.

Important to FANS, yes. Imran, here's a reality check for you: Of all the people who have seen Star Wars, most have only seen it once. Most haven't seen all the movies. This is why I mentioned your fantasy land: you think everyone has viewed them like you and your buddies have. That's simply not the case.

So no, these people aren't going to give a rat's ass about what's in the crawl beyong the 20 seconds it takes to read it and get the background story. They aren't going to remember from 5 seconds of text the episode number or the ANH title, since for 20+ years the film has only been marketed and branded as "Star Wars."

And sometimes when distinguishing between films, people would refer to episode numbers instead of names.

Sometimes, yes, FANS would. But MOST people wouldn't, because MOST people aren't sans life enough to delve into the minutae of SW to take 5 seconds of a crawl to heart despite having the movie branded to them as "Star Wars" for 20 years.

I ask you the same thing I asked JohnT. How did changing the copyright, MAGICALLY make everyone change what they called the movies? You've admitted, at least, that after TPM people called the movies by episode number. Was the movie filled with brainwashing magic?

Check out movie guides. I have the Leonard Maltin one right here from 1995 (edited, had the wrong year). It doesn't even MENTION Episode numbers for any of them or ANH. I also have his 2004 guide, which still lists it just as "Star Wars," but adds at the bottom that it was retitled Ep4, ANH. Why would it not have this in 1995, but has it in 2004? Could it be because the official retitling prompted entertainment sources like movie guides to add the titles? And that, in turn, insured more people would see the episode numbers and titles for the original films?

Here's a quote from a film critic:

http://www.manchester.com/whatson/cinemas/starwars.php

The pressure may be different, as Revenge of the Sith is guaranteed to be a huge hit in terms of making money, which A New Hope (as we now have to call it) was certainly not.

The point JohnT was making was that after Lucas changed the titles, there began an official rebranding of the original movies by episode numbers by Lucasfilms. Hence the 2004 DVD release with the numbers. This was done to keep consistency with the prequels.

I mean what 'proof' is it when the argument is that people use episode numbers today to refer to the movies because Lucas changed the copyright, which 99% of people do not know! How did that magically change what people called the movies?

I'm still waiting for just a shred of proof from you that supports your claim that most people know the 1977 film Star Wars as "Episode 4" or "A New Hope." You've offered nothing but bald assertions and claims that we can't verify that everyone you know agrees (which wouldn't matter even if true, since everyone you know is hardly a representative sample of the population of everyone who has seen Star Wars).

Meanwhile, you've got most people here saying you're wrong, you've got the fact that all the major movie sites only refer to it as "Star Wars," relegating ep # and ANH to subtitle status, and that all the branding, including posters, trailers, box sets of tapes, etc. only refer to it as "Star Wars," that all the memorabilia and toys and such pre-TPM just call it "Star Wars." I'll even provide a wikipedia quote for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_IV:_A_New_Hope#Title

However, the film is still known as "Star Wars" to most people, though Star Wars fans often refer to it as "A New Hope." Up until the 2004 DVD release, the picture was even advertised simply as "Star Wars."

So far I've provided infinitely more support for my position than you have (it's not hard to beat 0, though). Until you provide something other than saying "no it isn't!" there isn't much point in discussing this further. Especially since you seem fit to tell people who have been fans of the movie since it came out that down is up and left is right.

The great irony is that on page 4 you responded to me by saying:

Got a cite to back that claim up

This is intensely amusing, as to date you've not provided a single cite to back up your claim, whereas I have. Hypocrite much?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Episode IV: A New Hope didn't see the silver screen until the mid 90s, when the films were re-released. Lucas talked about it later, and as of ESB we all knew Star Wars was "episode 4."

Actually, it has already been pointed out that Episode IV and ANH did appear on the silver screen in 1981 when the movie was rereleased to theaters.

[Dis]

why do both of these star wars threads have spoilers in them?

should I see this movie or not?

[GePap]

Originally posted by JohnT
Poll: Dumbest Star Wars argument:

"Star Wars is not Sci-Fi" - by GePap, et al

"Star Wars was actually once called 'Star Wars', not 'Episode Four - A New Hope" - by JohnT et al

Make your choice!

Just cause you can't handle a debate on the nature of science fiction doesn't make it dumb.

So the current dumb arguement wins.

[JohnT]

Obviously you forgot that I was on your side.



OMG S37F-PN3D!!!!!

[Kuciwalker]

[GePap]

Originally posted by JohnT


Obviously you forgot that I was on your side.



OMG S37F-PN3D!!!!!

(Actually, I was sort of half thought you had agreed with me, but why let that stand in the way of righteous indignation )

[JohnT]

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71789

The "SW is not SF" thread.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Dissident
why do both of these star wars threads have spoilers in them?

should I see this movie or not?

If you hated all of the other star wars movies ever made then certainly don't bother seeing it. Otherwise give it a chance and tell us what you thought, but for gods sake don't spend any more time reading the review threads before you've seen it. We want to be able to freely discuss spoilers here.

[JohnT]

Revenge of the Sith did not break Spiderman's record for best opening weekend (weekend defined as Fri-Sun) - $108 million vs $114 million.

With the addition of Thursday's grosses (largest 1-day US take in movie history) the film has grossed $158,000,000. If the theater/studio split follows historical trends it still hasn't broken even (it cost appx. 113 million), but will undoubtably do so next weekend.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Dissident
why do both of these star wars threads have spoilers in them?

should I see this movie or not?

Because they're about Star Wars. What did you expect to find us discussing upon opening this (and the other) thread?

[GePap]

Originally posted by JohnT
Revenge of the Sith did not break Spiderman's record for best opening weekend (weekend defined as Fri-Sun) - $108 million vs $114 million.

With the addition of Thursday's grosses (largest 1-day I
US take in movie history) the film has grossed $158,000,000. If the theater/studio split follows historical trends it still hasn't broken even (it cost appx. 113 million), but will undoubtably do so next weekend.

Well, given that the uberfans were given thursday to see it, it would not be a given that it would beat the Spiderman record.

Still, 158 million in 4 days?? Lucas can add a new county to his ranch when this is all said and done, no?

[JohnT]

He's averaged $300,000,000/year in earnings since 1997.

I'm sure he'll be fine, even if this film bombed.

[GePap]

300 Mill a year?

[Zoid]

Ok, so I watched the movie earlier tonight. And boy did it suck!! I think I was more dissapointed in this movie than the earlier because it actually got some really good reviews. It was portrayed to be the best of the latest three when, in fact, it´s the worst. Abyssmal acting and directing, the dialogue is appaling and they botch the whole Anakin-turns-into-Darth-Vader thing. I mean, come on... It´s probably the worst explanation of turning-to-the-dark-side I have EVER seen. The only thing that has any value in the movie is Yoda kicking the ass of all and sundry Otherwise a tremendous waste of my time and money.