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[Drake Tungsten]

Well, I can see this is going nowhere...

[Lancer]

FOX just said that RotS has been downloaded 16,000 times from 2 illegal websites.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by JohnT

Remember all I said was that the Episode Numbers began with ESB (which had "Episode V" in the crawl), which you confirm... then go on this weird argument that no one called it "Episode 5" colloqually back then, which is something I never said.

Saying the episode numbers started with ESB, which was called Episode V is totally correct, as you've shown with your Title on Application. It was called Ep V - ESB, and that was the name in the crawl.

Yes, Imran, but you're missing my point. The name of the first movie was Star Wars, plain pure and simple, both legally and in the publics eye. ESB was released and entitled ESB, ROTJ was released and entitled ROTJ. It wasn't until the prequels came along 20 years later that Lucas revised the copyrights, changed the legal titles of the films, and then, for good measure, changed the title of the first movie completely, and then began demanding that people refer to the original movies by their new names.

Until then, a reference to ROTJ as "Episode Six" would've gotten you *****-slapped for being retarded. And rightfully so.

I think you are backtraking. You said the introduction of episode numbers came with TPM. That is patently not true since the crawl of ESB had "Episode V" in it. The introduction of episode numbers means when episode numbers were first used, not when colloqually used.

And I still don't get how TPM made episode numbers colloqually acceptable.

And Lucas demanded people refer to the movies by their new names? He may have power but not that much power.

[JohnT]

Backtracking? The only thing I backtracked on was my claim that the episode numbers were officially put in the titles when TPM was released - as noted, it actually began a mere 2 years earlier (1997) when Lucas offically retitled the first film and refiled the copyrights for the original three movies with his new naming system.

Again, note that I'm talking about the title of the movie, not the name that's on the copyright application - which is distinct from the actual title.

And I still don't get how TPM made episode numbers colloqually acceptable.

I don't get it either. But people do it, so...

[Imran Siddiqui]

The only thing I backtracked on was my claim that the episode numbers were officially put in the titles when TPM was released - as noted, it actually began a mere 2 years earlier (1997) when Lucas offically retitled the first film and refiled the copyrights for the original three movies with his new naming system.

Um... the crawl for ESB said "Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back". The title may have been called The Empire Strikes Back, but the episode numbers were introduced in that movie with the crawl.

I don't get it either. But people do it, so...

No, I didn't get how you could make that claim. Before TPM, people called the first movie Episode 4 or A New Hope. Perhaps not in your circles, but definetly in mine.

And with the internet it is simply quicker to call it Ep 2 than Clones or AotC (which people may not get).

[Jaguar]

Rules o' thumb:

JohnT almost always knows what he's talking about when it comes to movies.

Imran Siddiqui is generally right about most things.


Therefore, there is probably some truth to what both of you are saying.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Rules o' thumb:

JohnT almost always knows what he's talking about when it comes to movies.

Imran Siddiqui is generally right about most things.


Therefore, there is probably some truth to what both of you are saying.

Perhaps so... maybe we are talking across each other instead of at each other.

[JohnT]

No, I didn't get how you could make that claim. Before TPM, people called the first movie Episode 4 or A New Hope. Perhaps not in your circles, but definetly in mine.

Did you not read the post you quoted? I already conceded that the title revisions began 2 years previously, with the re-releases.

However, as a person who actually saw ESB on opening day (skipping school and all that), the "Episode 5" thing was almost as much of a shock as the Vader revelation (which I won't mention, lest I spoil Drake.) Again: not a single soul called the movie "Episode 5" nor thought to do so until 1997.

And your circle couldn't have called SW "A New Hope" before then because both "Episode 4" and "A New Hope" wasn't anywhere near the title until the copyright revisions. Check my previous post with actual US Copyright information if you doubt it.

[Drake Tungsten]

the "Episode 5" thing was almost as much of a shock as the Vader revelation (which I won't mention, lest I spoil Drake.)

Cute...

[Imran Siddiqui]

Did you not read the post you quoted? I already conceded that the title revisions began 2 years previously, with the re-releases.

Before that... mid 90s.

However, as a person who actually saw ESB on opening day (skipping school and all that), the "Episode 5" thing was almost as much of a shock as the Vader revelation (which I won't mention, lest I spoil Drake.) Again: not a single soul called the movie "Episode 5."

How does that contradict my saying that episode numbers were introduced in ESB? In fact you seem to confirm it.

Lucas called ESB "Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back" in the crawl.

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by JohnT

No, I didn't get how you could make that claim. Before TPM, people called the first movie Episode 4 or A New Hope. Perhaps not in your circles, but definetly in mine.

Did you not read the post you quoted? I already conceded that the title revisions began 2 years previously, with the re-releases.

However, as a person who actually saw ESB on opening day (skipping school and all that), the "Episode 5" thing was almost as much of a shock as the Vader revelation (which I won't mention, lest I spoil Drake.)

[Drake Tungsten]

Imran is right, by the way.

[JohnT]

How does that contradict my saying that episode numbers were introduced in ESB? In fact you seem to confirm it.

I didn't "seem to confim it", I actually confirmed it.

Again, my point is that the films were never referred to by episode numbers until after Lucas revised the copyrights (see cite above) for the re-releases. Then everything the man released used the new naming convention, meaning young whippersnappers with no experience with the original release of the movies could be fooled into thinking that they were always referred to by episode numbers and that a film called Star Wars didn't actually exist because it was really named A New Hope.

[JohnT]

(Btw, I nominate this for the 2005 "most pointless argument - Arts division" award). Anybody second?

[JohnT]

Of course you think he's right - you're pissed at me for the spoiler thing. Disregard the actual copyright information that I provided which shows that the actual titles for the original movies did not have episode numbers, which shows that the original movie was simply called Star Wars, and yes: Imran is correct. Regardless of what actually happened.