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"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
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Originally posted by CharlesBHoff
You bumd people have no understanding of other culture and I donot think you are religious at all.
My bumd people sho'nuff ain't religious at all, no sirree bob.
No understanding of Culture ? Them's fightin' words.
Where is my popgun, you Struwwelpeter mishandler ?Attached FilesVive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915Comment
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This could get interesting. Who is able to make the hardest-to-understand post, molly or Charles?
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Originally posted by Winston
This could get interesting. Who is able to make the hardest-to-understand post, molly or Charles?
Your Joycean stream of consciousness primer starts soon.
The thing is though, there's a sense of humour behind the punning gibberish I'm writing- not like CharlesBHoff's or Ned's peyote powered paroles or mescalin motored maunderings.Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915Comment
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Yes, I completely agree with that post.
At least with the bit I was able to figure out.
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You should open a snack shop dedicated to purveying cream cheese and salmon doughy snacks.
You could call it 'Winnie's Beigels'.
molly punster
Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915Comment
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I think I would very much like for Charles to reply to that on my behalf.
Ok, I'm out of here now. I'm taking an awful personal risk by engaging even in a little good-natured sparring with molly.Comment
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Originally posted by Winston
I think I would very much like for Charles to reply to that on my behalf.
You want him to reply about Jewish food ?
Oh no.....Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
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Yes.
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Today's BBC:
FBI records detail Koran claims
More than 500 detainees are held at Guantanamo
An inmate at the Guantanamo Bay prison camp accused US guards of flushing a Koran down the toilet back in 2002, declassified FBI documents reveal.
The disclosure follows a row over a similar claim made in Newsweek, which the magazine was forced to retract.
The Newsweek claims sparked protests across the Muslim world, and riots in Afghanistan that killed 15 people.
The Pentagon said last week it had seen "no credible and specific allegations" about putting a Koran in a toilet.
Newsweek last week apologised for, and then retracted its report, after saying it could not corroborate the story.
The White House rounded on the magazine, saying its report had done "lasting damage" to the US image in the Muslim world.
But the FBI documents made public on Wednesday, after a request from the human rights group American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), show that such allegations had been made at Guantanamo Bay.
After interviewing a detainee, an unnamed FBI agent wrote on 1 August 2002: "Personally, he has nothing against the United States. The guards in the detention facility do not treat him well. Their behaviour is bad.
"About five months ago, the guards beat the detainees. They flushed a Koran in the toilet.
"The guards dance around when the detainees are trying to pray. The guards still do these things."
The ACLU said the documents showed the Pentagon was aware of such allegations being made at Guantanamo Bay long ago, but had repeatedly turned a blind eye to "mounting evidence of widespread abuse".
The Pentagon did not immediately comment on the documents, but officials have said recently that various claims made by former detainees have been proved false.
Protests against alleged US abuse of the Koran continue
Officials say they have begun comparing detainee complaints to see if any are corroborated.
ACLU lawyer Jameel Jaffer said: "Unfortunately, one thing we've learned over the last couple of years is that detainee statements about their treatment at Guantanamo and other detention centres sometimes have turned out to be more credible than US government statements."
Other FBI documents released on Wednesday detailed further accusations, including one by a detainee who said a female interrogator wiped his face with her menstrual blood.
Meanwhile Amnesty International urged the US to shut Guantanamo Bay, calling it "the gulag of our time".
In a report the group said the US had undermined human rights across the world, by trying to "redefine and sanitise torture".
The White House dismissed the report as "ridiculous and unsupported".
Spokesman Scott McClellan said allegations of mistreatment were being investigated.
More than 500 people are being held at Guantanamo Bay, the US naval base on Cuba, suspected of links to the al-Qaeda network.
Some have been detained for more than three years, but have not been charged.Comment
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I've had years of Charles experience. I'd be glad to translate.Originally posted by Winston
This could get interesting. Who is able to make the hardest-to-understand post, molly or Charles?
"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
2004 Presidential Candidate
2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)Comment
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He's your DL. Be honest!I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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I just saw the news story, it is a real sign.Originally posted by Dissident
has anyone posted this picture yet?
This was an actual sign put up by a christian church.
http://www.thedigitalcourier.com/art...ews/news01.txtWe the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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CNN just had an excellent piece broadcast. The pentigon has released reports and video of detainees ripping out pages from the Koran then trying to incite other detains by claiming guards did it. Then there is the video of detains throwing the Koran on the ground and claiming guards did it.
It just goes to show the type of people who are in Gitmo and how nothing they claim should ever be taken at face value. No one should forget the Al Qaeda handbook which as found in Iraq which told Al Qaeda people to lie and to always claim the infidels had commited crimes even when they didn't.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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