Verres can't drink

[Ted Striker]

Epictetus


He almost has a more eastern approach to things.


Often times the Christian/Western idea of self-control can turn into a self-defeating prison of despair.

[Agathon]

Stoicism is a fine philosophy. My Dad's doctor was telling me that they now do something like this and it is called "cognitive therapy". I think that is smart as a lot of the time people actually have real problems that are about the way the world is, not about them.

Of course our culture seems to regard anyone who is not a shallow bubbly naive optimist as insane, but there you go.

[Ted Striker]

WOW

I didn't know there was a link between cognitive therapy and Stoicism. It would be nice if cognitive therapy was taught in our schools, I think there's alot of silly self-defeating world views that people develop.

If you ever watch any American reality dating shows, you'll see this toxic mindset in action.

Of course our culture seems to regard anyone who is not a shallow bubbly naive optimist as insane, but there you go.

Yup.

The thing is that most of the naive bubbliness is just on the surface. And it ends up weighing people down inside.

[Agathon]

I didn't know there was a link between cognitive therapy and Stoicism.

Well, I don't know much about the former myself, but I was explaining Stoicism to the Doctor and he was astonished at the similarities.

The thing is that most of the naive bubbliness is just on the surface. And it ends up weighing people down inside.

We should hit it more. When you're hitting it, even when you feel bad it's all good.

[Agathon]

I see that the connection is very strong. CT also seems to move towards the idea that bad emotions are either a kind of false belief or are caused by false beliefs – that's almost exactly the Stoic view (although they sometimes say all emotions are bad, even though they don't really mean that).

[Ted Striker]

For celebrity endoresments, I'd say Stoicism gets high marks, being championed by Seneca and Marcus Aurelius. I didn't know that until I just looked it up.

[Agathon]

For celebrity endoresments, I'd say Stoicism gets high marks, being championed by Seneca and Marcus Aurelius. I didn't know that until I just looked it up.

Seneca is naughty though. He consistently brings in other philosophies, which would have angered Zeno and Chrysippus had they lived to see it. I haven't read much of Seneca or Aurelius – it is a bit too modern and trendy for me. Even the Old Stoics are a bit new compared to the stuff I like.

[Verres]

Originally posted by Oerdin

http://www.medpagetoday.com/tbindex.cfm?tbid=1019

An interesting link I just ran across about the link between Type 2 Diabetes (the type found in young adults) and depression. Since you mentioned both depression and diabetes I thought this article might interet you.

Also do you like music? If so I suggest you pick up The Flamming Lips: Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots as that CD is like lyrical happiness. It's great stuff.

Not bad - sadly (actually, fortunately as it means I'm not an overweight so and so ) I have type 1 diabetes, not type 2, and it was diagnosed long before depression. Incidently, its not straightforward depression in my case but blablahblah....yeah, I stopped listening too.

I heard something by The Flaming Lips (called fight test I think....not sure) ages ago and it made me want to eat my own eye balls - so I may give it a miss.

[Snotty]

As far as I understand the liver actually regenerates over time. At least I know I can drink like a trooper these days

[RGBVideo]

Evil people dying

[Verres]

I think it depends - losing part of your liver isnt a prob as it grows back I know, but apparently mine is inflamed and scarred.

The check ups are about enzymes or something. Not that I wasn't paying attention or anything.....Essentially I don't know the extent of damage as yet, or how quickly it will develop. But alcohol etc are definite no nos in my case for the time being.

[Az]

Originally posted by VJ
Evil people dying

Douchebag trolls

[C0ckney]

sucks not being able to drink (or take drugs i would think), but at the end of the day it's your own silly fault. :/

[Verres]

Originally posted by VJ
Evil people dying

Thankyou, I love you too.

[Az]

don't mind him. It's hardly the most crass thing he's ever said.