Possible Major Scandal: Border Patrol told to stand down in Arizona

[Shi Huangdi]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Oh, nobody disputes that there is racism towards Hispanics in this country.

And you don't think that has an effect on all this railing against illegal immigration from Mexico? Not even unconsciously? Come one, wake up, Shi!

It may well have an effect. And on the other extreme, deep-seated negative feelings towards America and it's role in the world might lead some people to not objectively examine what America should do to protect itself. Anything is possible as the cause for something, but unless we do a psychological evaluation it's hard to know a person's feelings.

As a variety of polls indicate, the great majority of Americans oppose illegal immigration: http://www.fairus.org/Research/Research.cfm?ID=1167&c=2

Is it possible that the great majority of Americans are racists and that is the reason why? Sure. But there is no evidence to back that as the cause for views on illegal immigration, and not fears of economic security and the like.

But because the argument against illegal immigration is not in itself racist, it's an incredibly unjust position to take to associate opposition to illegal immigration with racism.

[Imran Siddiqui]

But because the argument against illegal immigration is not in itself racist, it's an incredibly unjust position to take to associate opposition to illegal immigration with racism.

No it isn't. 'Economic security' is a pretext for racism. We don't want those Mexicans to take our jobs! Just like all the anti-globalization rhetoric centering on jobs being located in India is a racist device (or do you really think unions are concerned about accents.. if so some areas of the US are good places not to put call centers).

Its the same phenomenon we witness when people see a young black male walking towards them on the street and they go to the other side of the street. Perhaps they say it is because security concerns about muggings and whatnot, but really it's a pretext for perhaps subconscious racism.

The mere fact is that people don't really take too well of the new guys and whether it is in Europe, Asia, or the US, there is subconcious and conscious racism involved in immigration debates.

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[Imran Siddiqui]

I consider xenophobia to be the same thing as racism, so we're on the same page, Ted

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[Berzerker]

Mexico gets 100 times more coverage about its open border.

We dont see millions of Canadians illegally rushing our border every year either.

The main deterrant to Al Qauda entering from Mexico is the common goal of the Mexican government and crime sindicates (drugs) to keep the border open for economic reasons, and that requires a serious effort to keep an eye on ME Muslims trying to enter Mexico. I dont know if Mexico has improved its prison system but I remember warnings about getting busted down there. Canada would be much more inviting if I wanted to sneek in.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
The Khadr family seems to disagree with that notion.

The Khadr family moved to Canada decades ago, long before this was a major concern. They've been denied Canadian passports, despite having citizenship, and I'm pretty sure their movements are kept track of.

The US border patrol has, I'm sure, their pictures posted in every office.

Good luck to them trying to enter the US.

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It seems to me that based on this thread calling someone a racist is the equivilant of calling someone a communist because it allows you to dismiss someone's arguements with little more than a hand waving condescension. None of you (Imran or Ted) have from what I've seen have addressed Shi's arguement that the Mexican border is a problem that should be dealt with. Well I will admit that Ted has defended having a slave class in the country but that's about the extent of it.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Cause I don't see the huge problem that needs to be dealt with. Illegal immigrants are coming in? So what? It hasn't caused a collapse in the US economy. Hell, it may have helped it due to their work for less that minimum wage.

I'm for open borders anyway, so this illegal immigration 'crisis' is, IMO, silly. There is a reason these people are coming over and that is because they are looking for a better way of life. Why deny that to them? Because some white guy may lose his job? Pffft!

These border patrol people are in it to stop poor Mexicans from crossing. They won't be stopping drug trafficers... hell, that might be US police!

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[Whoha]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Secondly, alot of the big immigrant crises that put a strain on social services came because of waves of refugees that spilled in from the civil wars in Central America. (Which we were playing a direct role in).

Actually no, the Mexicans do a good job of locking down their southern border. Scream racism all day long until you are blue in the face, it does not change the fact that they are a massive net drain on our economy,they are bringing up diseases that we eliminated previously, they aren't going to do a damned thing for social security,and a **** load of criminals and even some terrorists are taking advantage of the border.

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