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  • #16
    Originally posted by Az
    BUILD SUBWAYS, B*TCH
    Unfortunately, the entire US was not built for public transports. Otherwise, the city planning would be a whole lot different.

    Even more unfortunately, Chinese cities are getting to be like that.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Urban Ranger


      Unfortunately, the entire US was not built for public transports. Otherwise, the city planning would be a whole lot different.

      That is correct. The sprawl isn't the best things for public transportation.

      And by the way, LA does have subways.
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      • #18
        And by the way, LA does have subways.


        entirely inadequate for a metropolitan area with 14 mil people in the met area, and 4 mil people in the core.

        (Thanks UrbanRail.net )

        Only one of those line is subway.


        As to UR comment on city planning: this is very correct, but just means that one will have to invest more, not that it's impossible.

        WRT China, I don't know - key factor is population density, and I figured out that the situation is ok in china ( suburbs being of medium+ density with appartment houses 5 stories high approx. rather than private homes)
        urgh.NSFW

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        • #19
          What's wrong with internet hunting? If the animal is your property, why shouldn't have the right to let people use the internet to shoot at it?
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          • #20
            I don't like hunting where people just shoot some innocent animal just for fun
            This space is empty... or is it?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Az
              And by the way, LA does have subways.


              entirely inadequate for a metropolitan area with 14 mil people in the met area, and 4 mil people in the core.

              (Thanks UrbanRail.net )

              Only one of those line is subway.
              That's not a subway system. This is a subway system! The London Underground: 142 years old this year.

              And feeling its age.

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              • #22
                Tube

                some of the lines have to be separated. I've heard that some platforms service more than one line. This shouldn't happen in a modern subway.
                urgh.NSFW

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                • #23
                  Why not? The big stations that have multiple lines are built to handle it. There's spatial separation between lines (these stations extend deep into the earth) and take pressure off further out platforms that aren't built in the same way. Besides, the London Underground moves a lot of people and having one platform connect to multiple lines makes transfers and trips easier.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Az
                    Tube

                    some of the lines have to be separated. I've heard that some platforms service more than one line. This shouldn't happen in a modern subway.

                    Well that's 'cos it ain't modern- it's Victorian.

                    I suspect you're referring to the Circle Line (yellow) and to the Hammersmith and City Line (salmon-pink in colour) which shares parts of the District Line (green) at certain times of the day (most often the peak commuting hours).


                    And of course to the Northern Line, which has a part time share with the direct line to Hell.


                    I seem to recall Los Angeles once had an integrated public transport system, but collusion between oil and car companies brought about its wrack and ruin.
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                    • #25
                      But it also makes maximum frequency of trains lower.
                      urgh.NSFW

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Urban Ranger


                        Unfortunately, the entire US was not built for public transports. Otherwise, the city planning would be a whole lot different.

                        Even more unfortunately, Chinese cities are getting to be like that.
                        It is disturbing that most cities in Europe have extensive public transport systems but the Americans seem to be a long way behind...it will be a shame if the Chinese are going to have the same problem and all the pollution that will produce...
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                        • #27

                          I suspect you're referring to the Circle Line (yellow) and to the Hammersmith and City Line (salmon-pink in colour) which shares parts of the District Line (green) at certain times of the day (most often the peak commuting hours).


                          The former one. Actually, I've experienced that myself on my visit to London, come to think about it.
                          urgh.NSFW

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                          • #28
                            There was a cool program where they made new lines for London subway.. they had this huge drill, that was the size of the damn line, and it just drilled new lines It was nuts! And it was pretty accurate job to be done, since it was close to other lines, and all the crap that's under London so not an easy task.

                            PH, depends. Our praised public transport is actually joke of a subway (worse than in LA) in Helsinki, and then busses in the biggest cities. Oh and few train lines. That's it. The best part of it is that it's most often cheaper to go with your own car than use these .

                            If you don't live in Helsinki.. you don't have a public transportation. SO... it's .. a.. myth .. In Helsinki it works though, not too bad at all. But I've seen this working better (outside Helsinki) in ALL US cities I've been into, and believe me I've been to a lot of them. LA was kind of streching it though.. it sucked in there as well. NY? Buuut then again I've seen working transportation in Europe. For example Sweden etc.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Az
                              some of the lines have to be separated. I've heard that some platforms service more than one line. This shouldn't happen in a modern subway.
                              It happens in Stuttgart too (a very modern subway, and I hear it's one of the best in the world), and it's actually very convenient. Most of the subways that share a platform also have the same itinerary in the city-core (making them "the same line" for all intent and purposes in the city core), and go in separate direction only once in the suburbs.
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                              • #30
                                I know what you mean. I am just saying what the results are - a much reduced service back when the lines split.
                                urgh.NSFW

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