Noah Built a Boat?

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Vesayen


Judaism is one of the oldest religions in the world.

Learning that parts of a book are factually untrue does not undermine a religion.

Screw faith, its outdated and has been for hundreds of years.

Judaism I think is a special case - it has managed to survive for approx 2000 years by bending when nessecary. That is politiacally, I really don't know how they handle sceinctiific evidences against their belief.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Bah, you Eurocoms are all the same, anyway.

Yup, just like all americans are like Kansas rednecks

I don't know if hueij are lying seriously, but Jamaica is a bit closer to US than EU

[Hueij]

Originally posted by BlackCat


Yup, just like all americans are like Kansas rednecks

I don't know if hueij are lying seriously, but Jamaica is a bit closer to US than EU

I'm lying, I'm a kommie from Dutchia.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Hueij

I'm lying, I'm a kommie from Dutchia.

I don't care as long as I can trust in your ava

But if that also is a fake then I will consider not to put you on my ignore list.

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by BlackCat


Judaism I think is a special case - it has managed to survive for approx 2000 years by bending when nessecary. That is politiacally, I really don't know how they handle sceinctiific evidences against their belief.

Try more like ~4,000 .

The overwhelming majority of Jews embrace science, and we have.... forever basically. Judaism inherited hellenistic, analytical thought.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Vesayen


Try more like ~4,000 .

The overwhelming majority of Jews embrace science, and we have.... forever basically. Judaism inherited hellenistic, analytical thought.

My thought was more like persecution for the last 2000 years - what was before was natural survival - wich of course can be hard .

As stated before, I don't care if people are religious as long as this doesn't interfere with reality (some migth see this as a slight change in my opinion, but I think that I'm consistent - otherwise i will put the blame on the fact that I'm half way down a bottle of Jaegermeister )

[Robert]

Originally posted by Hueij
Boris, no use to post those links, he is not going to read them

I have read much of those kind of links and sites in the past. I know what arguments there are.
As I said, I 'm not sure if the big flood happened or not, and I said that it doesn't matter to my faith as well.

I said that I just wanted to put some arguments into this thread from the creationists, just to answer the question of the thread starter.

Boris and co don't know anything about talking. All they can think about is pushing their opinion through other throats the uncivil way. It's all "we are right and you are so wrong".

And what are they fighting? Why are they fighting me while I have said that I'm not sure about it at all from the beginning on.

It's just evolutionistic fanatism.
If I read Boris' post I can't surpress the feeling that he's not posting for pleasure but he's posting because he's hating christianity. It blinds him.

Blackcat / Boris, you have arguments, those arguments may be the best we have right now. Still you can't be sure. We're talking about 6000 years ago. Only a fool could believe that he can tell for sure what happened in our past.

[Zkribbler]

A few years back, I saw a TV show with an interesting theory on THE FLOOD.

At the bottom of the Black Sea are the fossil remains of a fresh water lake. Hypothesis: The Black Sea was a valley with a small lake in the middle. The Dardanelles was a natural dam, holding back the sea, until that terrible day. The "dam" gave way, and sea water poured hundreds of feet down into what is now the Black Sea with a roar which must have sounded like the Crack of Doom for hundreds of miles.

This would give the locals the impression of devine retribution and a flooded world. But a guy in a big boat would have done quite well. Animals such as penguins would have had no worry because they were thousands of miles away.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by CyberShy

And what are they fighting? Why are they fighting me while I have said that I'm not sure about it at all from the beginning on.

It's just evolutionistic fanatism.
If I read Boris' post I can't surpress the feeling that he's not posting for pleasure but he's posting because he's hating christianity. It blinds him.

Maybe we are scared about the thought of a society based upon fantasies instead of fact.

Blackcat / Boris, you have arguments, those arguments may be the best we have right now. Still you can't be sure. We're talking about 6000 years ago. Only a fool could believe that he can tell for sure what happened in our past.

At least our theories about what happend 6000 years ago are based upon those evediences that exist instead of what are written in a book that max is 4000 years old.

Please tell how a book written at least 2000 years after the incidents can be considered a true description.

[BlackCat]

@Zkribbler : that could certainly be the source of of myths of floddings in that area.

Actually the same happend probably some million of years earlier at Gibraltar - I though doubt that that are the cause of current myths .

[Vesayen]

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Blackcat / Boris, you have arguments, those arguments may be the best we have right now. Still you can't be sure. We're talking about 6000 years ago. Only a fool could believe that he can tell for sure what happened in our past.

Except for scientific anlysis which can tell us what happened 6,000 years ago.... except when science mysteriously stops being valid when it comes into conflict to religion(but mysteriously, your car, cell phone and computers still work!).

Life is funny like that.

[Shogun Gunner]

Originally posted by BlackCat
@Zkribbler : that could certainly be the source of of myths of floddings in that area.

Actually the same happend probably some million of years earlier at Gibraltar - I though doubt that that are the cause of current myths .

There's evidence something like this happened in the NW of America -- specifically in Montana. Apparently as the ice age was ending, and the ice retreated, water built up behind a huge chunk of ice lodged in a narrow canyon way. The melting waters built up behind this natural dam until eventually it gave way pouring trillions of gallons of water through this chokepoint. The resulting water erosion is still very evident today and stretches for many, many miles.

Cool geographical feature.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by CyberShy
Boris and co don't know anything about talking. All they can think about is pushing their opinion through other throats the uncivil way. It's all "we are right and you are so wrong".

That's exactly the way it is with regards to Creationism.

Show me how the Noachian Flood is possible physically - please also explain related issues such as how various species survived, how it reconcile with geological records worldwide, how some 6000 years old civilisations didn't have records of such a flood and how they survived against YHWH's wrath, and so forth.

Originally posted by CyberShy
If I read Boris' post I can't surpress the feeling that he's not posting for pleasure but he's posting because he's hating christianity. It blinds him.

Oh, the old "psychological analysis" trick. Seen it, been there.

Originally posted by CyberShy
We're talking about 6000 years ago. Only a fool could believe that he can tell for sure what happened in our past.

If you have a revolutionary theory in geology wrt rock formations, more power to you.

Then there is this small problem called history.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
This would give the locals the impression of devine retribution and a flooded world. But a guy in a big boat would have done quite well. Animals such as penguins would have had no worry because they were thousands of miles away.

There are flood myths in civilisations all around the world. Then again, ancient civilisations tend to start near rivers and them things got a habit of flooding.

Only Creationists have well-trained enough minds to interpret myths as facts.

[FrostyBoy]

"I am Christian, proud to be one"

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