All Hail the Glorious People's Revolution in Vietnam!

[Ned]

Originally posted by MrFun



Um . . . . .



what do you mean by "naturally" progress? Do you adhere to some kind of teleogical viewpoint in the belief that how things happened were inevitable merely because we have the gift of hindsight?

Well, I just note that both China and Vietnam are going the same direction. I also note that Soviet communism never really introduced capitalism. Neither has Cuba. There must be something different about Asian communism.

But it also does raise the issue of whether communism has to evolve in order to survive, as all commie societies that have not evolved seemed to have vanished, save for the Cuban experiment.

[MrFun]

Of course a communist government/system would have to evolve -- any kind of government/system that does not evolve will not survive.


That's a given.

[Ned]

Originally posted by MrFun
Of course a communist government/system would have to evolve -- any kind of government/system that does not evolve will not survive.


That's a given.

OK.

But if you view what happened in the USSR as "evolution," then all commie societies evolve either into fascism or into democratic capitalism. They never evolve as claimed by Marxist theory.

[MrFun]

So? Human history has too often shown that the way things are theorized and the way things actually work out, do not necessarily mesh together.

[Ned]

Originally posted by MrFun
So? Human history has too often shown that the way things are theorized and the way things actually work out, do not necessarily mesh together.

Good, Mr. Fun. I think we finally agree on something.

[MrFun]

But that applies to anything related to human history . . . . .



including capitalism.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
Bush's apology for Yalta, the other day, should usher in a fresh look at what really happened in 1945 and why the deals we made were struck.

As opposed to the turgid conservative mythologies we now have?

[pchang]

ummmmm..........turgid conservatives.............

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ned


OK.

But if you view what happened in the USSR as "evolution," then all commie societies evolve either into fascism or into democratic capitalism. They never evolve as claimed by Marxist theory.

More faulty logic from the Nediverse.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Kidicious


More faulty logic from the Nediverse.

Of course Ned is wrong, they don't evolve into those mentioned - they quickly change into either a totalitarian state ruled by an elite or into someting feudalistic where a single peron is the absolute ruler.

[Ned]

Originally posted by MrFun
But that applies to anything related to human history . . . . .



including capitalism.

No doubt. If one starts with the Roman Empire as the most "right wing" government ever, the trend clearly is to the left as more and more protections for the average joe are introduced.

[Ned]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


As opposed to the turgid conservative mythologies we now have?

Mythologies? And just what is the proper term for communist lies and propaganda that they promote as history?

[Ned]

Originally posted by Kidicious


More faulty logic from the Nediverse.

Support YOUR point by even one example.

[Ned]

Originally posted by BlackCat


Of course Ned is wrong, they don't evolve into those mentioned - they quickly change into either a totalitarian state ruled by an elite or into someting feudalistic where a single peron is the absolute ruler.

No, they start that way. The evolve into less harsh regimes of some kind.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Ned


No, they start that way. The evolve into less harsh regimes of some kind.

Romania ? Cuba ?