All Hail the Glorious People's Revolution in Vietnam!

[Fake Boris]

although it is hard to imagine how a free market could exist in a totalitarian state.

incredible stuff here

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Ned
Accepting this principle, then, most, if not all, prior communist regimes are fascist because they all have been nationalist to one extent or another. Think of Ho Chi Minh, for example. He was a nationalist. Everyone says so.

A nationalist is not always a fascist.

Originally posted by Ned
Surely Stalin was a nationalist. He transformed WWII into the great patriotic war.

Who wasn't fighting for his or her own country in WWII?

Originally posted by Ned
Ditto with Mao. Look at China today.

The dominating ideology of the CCP is different from Maoism.

Originally posted by Ned
They are united in their hatred of the Japanese. They are very aware of being Chinese, and not just commies.

Um, most Chinese are not commies, and most of us don't hate the Japanese.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by MrFun
To acknowledge that both economic systems (communism and capitalism) are both potentially equally corrupt and bad does not make one a Marxist.

There has never been a communist economic system. There have been economies planned by so called communist parties. Exploitaion is inherent to capitalism. Corrupt communism is just bastardizaton.

[Bosh]

most of us don't hate the Japanese.

You're so cute when you lie UR

[DinoDoc]

You assume he stops lieing?

[Bosh]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
You assume he stops lieing?

Surely he sleeps sometimes

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Bosh


Surely he sleeps sometimes

Ever heard about sleep talking ?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Bosh


Surely he sleeps sometimes

He lies down for a nap.

[Bosh]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
He lies down for a nap.

Maybe its hard for him to talk while he's eating?

[DinoDoc]

Ya got me.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


A nationalist is not always a fascist.

I agree. But apparently Imran and others think that one-party states that deemphasize individuality and emphasize nationalism are fascist. But that aptly describes virtually all communist states that have actually existed. It may not the ideal communism taught in schools, but in real countries, a sense of national identity seems to be irresistable.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Kidicious


There has never been a communist economic system. There have been economies planned by so called communist parties. Exploitaion is inherent to capitalism. Corrupt communism is just bastardizaton.

Kid, the problem is that communist systems as taught as an ideal are impossible to implement because they are so illogical, etc., etc., etc. State ownership, however, is simple to implement and inherently advances the agenda of party control.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ned


Kid, the problem is that communist systems as taught as an ideal are impossible to implement because they are so illogical, etc., etc., etc. State ownership, however, is simple to implement and inherently advances the agenda of party control.

I'm not talking about communist utopia. I'm talking about govt by the consent of the people.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Kidicious


I'm not talking about communist utopia. I'm talking about govt by the consent of the people.

Well, I think people can volunteer to live in communes so long as they are free to leave. I used to live in one.

But you cannot force people to live in communes. That is not democracy, is it?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ned


Well, I think people can volunteer to live in communes so long as they are free to leave. I used to live in one.

But you cannot force people to live in communes. That is not democracy, is it?

Democracy doesn't mean total freedom. Individuals are still subject to the law. You can have a democracy and still force people to live in a communist society.