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  • #16
    Wikipedia on glossolalia:

    Tongues in the New Testament

    In the New Testament, the book of Acts recounts how "tongues of fire" descended upon the heads of the Apostles, accompanied by the miraculous occurrence of speaking in languages unknown to them, but recognizable to others present as particular foreign languages. Not only their peers, but also anyone else in the room who spoke any other language, could understand the words that the Apostles spoke. Acts 2 described the phenomenon in terms of a miracle of universal translation, enabling people from many parts of the world speaking many different languages to understand them. This Biblical case exemplifies religious xenoglossia, i.e., miraculously speaking in an actual foreign language that the speaker does not know. Some of the Orthodox hymns sung at the Feast of Pentecost, which commemorates this event in Acts, describe it as a reversal of what happened at the Tower of Babel as described in Genesis 11. In other words, the languages of humanity were differentiated at the Tower of Babel leading to confusion, but were reunited at Pentecost, resulting in the immediate proclamation of the Gospel to people who were gathered in Jerusalem from many different countries. Elsewhere in the New Testament Paul describes the experience as speaking in an "unknown tongue" (1 Cor 14:14-19) and discourages simultaneous speaking in tongues lest unbelievers think the assembled brethren "mad" (1 Cor 14:23, 27). Many Pentecostal groups teach that speaking in tongues is not exclusively xenoglossia.
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    Contemporary Christian glossolalia

    Some Christians have claimed that they have witnessed, or personally engaged in, soi-disant "speaking in tongues". These claims have particular importance in the Pentecostal and in the Charismatic traditions. The belief that the gifts of the Apostles (Acts 2) continue to persist in the modern world forms a fundamental point of Pentecostal and Charismatic doctrine. In light of 1 Corinthians 14:2 and 14:14, both Pentecostals and Charimatics believe that speaking in tongues is a form of praying in the spirit.

    Other Christians hold that this religious glossolalia comprises, at least in some cases, bona fide language inspired by the Holy Spirit: utterances in a language usually unknown to both the speaker and to the listeners. Yet other Christians hold that all, or almost all, modern glossolalia has bogus origins, neither divinely inspired nor language-based. This view is more typically held in the Evangelical tradition.

    Charismatic/Pentecostal and Evangelical Christians more readily agree that the original instances of Christian glossolalia, as reported in the book of Acts, exemplified bona fide instances of actual human languages.
    Weird stuff...
    Let us be lazy in everything, except in loving and drinking, except in being lazy – Lessing

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    • #17
      /me raises his hand.
      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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      • #18
        personally, i am not going to judge this; i don't want to risk standing before God some day and have Him ask me what i was thinking....

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        • #19
          Man, Americans are bonkers...
          Let us be lazy in everything, except in loving and drinking, except in being lazy – Lessing

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          • #20
            Originally posted by chegitz guevara


            Not just Catholics. Evangelicals of all stripes do this. I saw it at a Pentacostal church service.
            Actually its almost all the Pentacostals. Its during the Petacost that speaking in tongues is recorded in the Bible IIRC. AFAIK speaking in tongues in other Churches would be due to Pentacostal influence.
            Stop Quoting Ben

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            • #21
              Originally posted by nostromo
              Man, Americans are bonkers...
              We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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              • #22
                Most of the charismatic movement in the RCC went by the wayside in the early 90s. Ironically, most of these folks are now pretty conservative church. They are also a pretty vibrant part of the church.
                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                • #23
                  Not necessarily. I've been in all three, a pentecostal church, an evangelical one and a Catholic church. While the Catholic church does not put as much emphasis on speaking in tongues as the pentecostals do, they still recognise it as a gift of the spirit.

                  Now tongues can either be in an unknown language, or a known one. In fact the very first fruit of the holy spirit after the ascension of Christ was tongues, in allowing the Apostles to proclaim the gospels to all nations, even though they did not know the other languages.

                  Paul spends quite a bit of time with tongues, that they are to be used in edification of the church, and ought be combined with the gift of interpretation. This gift allows the congregation to understand what is being said by the manifestation of tongues.
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                  • #24
                    Most of the charismatic movement in the RCC went by the wayside in the early 90s. Ironically, most of these folks are now pretty conservative church.
                    I would have no clue. I've known a few Charismatic Catholics, but the one I knew best passed away about a year ago. I don't know which parish she attended.

                    I would be interested in learning more about the Charismatic Catholics, since I haven't spent much time with them.
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                    • #25
                      Ben what is the next church you are going to join?
                      We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                      • #26
                        I would be interested in learning more about the Charismatic Catholics, since I haven't spent much time with them.
                        Well, as I said, the movement has pretty much subsided AFAIK, and I only know the status of one institution that was prominent in the movement (Franciscan University of Steubenville). There was a casual network of religious communities that got into it pretty heavily, but I'm not really familiar with those in detail.

                        NB: The movement in the RCC was rather small and apparently of a pretty different nature in comparison with the pentecostals.
                        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by DanS
                          Most of the charismatic movement in the RCC went by the wayside in the early 90s. Ironically, most of these folks are now pretty conservative church. They are also a pretty vibrant part of the church.
                          IIRC you get the most Charismatic Catholics existed in places where the Pentecostals were making the strongest inroads. I'm not saying is that the Catholics ripped off the Pentecostals necessarily, but the existance of Pentacostals doing well definately influenced the rise of the Catholic Charismatics.
                          Stop Quoting Ben

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                          • #28
                            I would have to see the backup for such an opinion. As I know it (not well), charismatic catholics and pentecostals never really intersected. It would be a big stretch to say that they influenced one another.
                            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                            • #29
                              Ben what is the next church you are going to join?
                              My pastor in the mennonite church came from a pentecostal church, as did the fellow who brought me to Christ in the first place.

                              So I have had contact with pentecostals through them.

                              But I have never set foot inside a pentecostal church.

                              Technically the Russian Language ministry I attended was a pentecostal ministry inside an evanglical mennonite church. Odd, but that's the truth.
                              Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
                              "Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
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                              • #30
                                Well, as I said, the movement has pretty much subsided AFAIK, and I only know the status of one institution that was prominent in the movement (Franciscan University of Steubenville).
                                Isn't that where Scott Hahn teaches?

                                Indeed it is!
                                Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
                                "Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
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