Whoi knew a bunch of Japanese textbook could cause such trouble?

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Ned
It is genuinely hard to believe that any Chinese could have anti-American feelings at all

I know what you mean Ned, especially if you are living in a Foxnews thought bubble

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Tingkai
I understand why the Chinese are complaining about the Japanese text books and if Chinese consumers want to boycott Japanese goods, that's their right.

The Japanese government created this mess and now they are making it even worse by authorizing today, gas drilling rights in a section of the East China Sea that is claimed by China. Of all the stupidity! This is throwing gas on a fire.

I doubt there is a text book in China which deals honestly with Mao's purges of "counter-revolutionaries" or is entirely frank about the horrors of the CCP's Cultural Revolution. I'm sure they also claim the Nationalists were the roote of all evil and the virtuos CCP was this perfect freedom fighting force.

China needs to clean its own house before it complains about others. People love to ***** about the US but we treat our own historical failures (slavery, segrogation, policy against the Indians) more harshly then we do other people's. We actually acknowledge and educate people about it. Can China, Japan, or Korea say the same?

[Bosh]

Originally posted by Oerdin


I doubt there is a text book in China which deals honestly with Mao's purges of "counter-revolutionaries" or is entirely frank about the horrors of the CCP's Cultural Revolution. I'm sure they also claim the Nationalists were the roote of all evil and the virtuos CCP was this perfect freedom fighting force.

China needs to clean its own house before it complains about others. People love to ***** about the US but we treat our own historical failures (slavery, segrogation, policy against the Indians) more harshly then we do other people's. We actually acknowledge and educate people about it. Can China, Japan, or Korea say the same?

Well Korea is just about the only country on earth that has NEVER attacked another country. Not bad record that.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Boshko


Well Korea is just about the only country on earth that has NEVER attacked another country. Not bad record that.

Yea, but when they were enslaved by the Japanese they sometimes purposefully didn't do a good job.

[Drake Tungsten]

Well Korea is just about the only country on earth that has NEVER attacked another country. Not bad record that.

It's a little less impressive when you consider that Korea has been some other nation's ***** for a large chunk of its history. For example, the Koreans were a part of the Mongol-led force that invaded in Japan in 1274 and again in 1281. They don't have to count that against their record, though; they get off the hook for being the ***** of the Mongols at the time.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Does the word "context" mean anything to you?

Well, I think DaShi's point is, the poster is ancillary to both DaShi's and my personal observations of routinely hearing with our own ears Chinese people say they hate all Japanese.

Exactly. Claiming context is just a poor attempt at weaseling out by playing dumb.

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
When I said none, I meant there was none coming from somebody (Emperor or Prime Minister) who did it on behave of the entire country.

But that's not what you said. You deliberately left that out. There are many who believe that in Japan there have been no efforts at apologies because of Chinese people who make statements like the one you made. It is deliberately deceptive. And now you're trying to weasel out of it again by playing dumb.

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
I do, though just limited to Gaungzhou/Shenzhen and surrounding areas. I have never met anybody expressing such racism.

Do you ever discuss these things with others? Or is it simply business trips? Do you include yourself?

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
ya could mean a bunch of things when combined into terms, such as ya tau (little girl) or shu ya (where a tree grows a branch), but it doesn't mean anything by itself.

You certainly don't spend enough time in the mainland , if you mean ya tou (rather than tau, what is that, Greek?) which will probably cause you to get the crap beaten out of you if you use it here.

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
I am not sure how big a factor that is, given that a stream of constant US meddling, interfering, finger-pointing and obstructing acts directed at China (at least as perceived, but then, perception is everything here) during the recent years. Particularly casted in the context of the US being the international hegemon.

Perception is everything here? Perception has nothing to do with what you are claiming. But yes, it is all perceived.

For example, I have read several accounts of the PRC joining the WTC, and there are lots of incidents where the US tabled unreasonable demands and errected obstacles. Put that together with the recent emergence of protectionism in the US and the constant lip services the US is paying "free market." None of these goes down well.

Yes, I've read those too. . .in China Daily.

Then there is the recent case of the US and Japan putting Taiwan Strait as part of the mutually defensive treaty "strategic objective." Such a wise move...

God forbid China give other countries the same rights it gives to itself.

Sadly, UR hasn't posted anymore. So I'll have to leave it at that until he returns. Frankly, I think he's about to lose his position as a CCP mouthpiece.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse


I know what you mean Ned, especially if you are living in a Foxnews thought bubble

I will make exceptions, AH, to all those Chinese who believe in some sort of socialist manifest destiny. But to those who just want to live their lives without politics, or who are on the right, the United States has most always been a friend of China even when China has not been a friend of the United States.

So, educate me. Why would the average Chinese riot in hatred of the United States? What wrong to China would they cite in thier anger?

[Ned]

Before the outbreak of war in the '30s, was the Chinese attitude towards Japan:

1) friendly?
2) hostile?
3) friendlier than its attitudes about the Europeans?
4) less friendly than its attitudes about the Europeans.

Why?

[Drake Tungsten]

TOKYO -- A nationalist textbook newly approved by the Tokyo government is driving the deepest wedge in Japan-China relations in decades, but few of the country's students have ever read it.

Though given away for free, the book titled "New History Textbook" is used by only 18 of 11,102 junior high schools in Japan, reflecting many teachers' concerns over its content. It has been denounced by the leading teachers' union, and is well to the right wing of mainstream public opinion.

Only 10 public and eight private junior high schools use the textbook, meaning it reaches just 0.1 percent of the 1.2 million seventh graders.

Teachers' concerns over the content have limited use of the textbook, which covers all of Japan's history. The current edition has 236 pages, only about 20 of which deal with the 1920-1945 period, the height of Japanese expansionism.

Officials say the criticism of its textbook screening process -- and decision to approve the book in question -- is unfair.

They claim screening is intended only to ensure that textbooks do not contain factual errors or express interpretations of history that go beyond what most scholars would consider defensible. It does not mean the government agrees with everything on every page, they say.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/wire/sns-ap-japan-tempest-in-a-text,0,364852.story?coll=sns-ap-world-headlines

Just in case anyone still thinks this is actually about a textbook...

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Ned


I will make exceptions, AH, to all those Chinese who believe in some sort of socialist manifest destiny. But to those who just want to live their lives without politics, or who are on the right, the United States has most always been a friend of China even when China has not been a friend of the United States.

So, educate me. Why would the average Chinese riot in hatred of the United States? What wrong to China would they cite in thier anger?

The Chinese do see the US as a model to emulate. In fact, China is becoming more and more like the US everyday, it seems. They admire power. Of course, they admire Hitler and Bill Gates for the same reasons, so I don't think the US should feel proud.

The general sense I've gotten is that most old people like the US and don't like Germany. Young people are not so fond of the US and sometimes see it as an obstacle to China, but they'll stab their best friend in the back for a chance to go to school there. But that's more about money and power than about liking the US. Both reflect the different propoganda given to each generation.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Just in case anyone still thinks this is actually about a textbook...

It appears that you are the only person who don't think that revisionism is at least part of the reason.

[Kuciwalker]

It appears that you are deluded

[DaShi]

The "least" part is correct.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by DaShi
Exactly. Claiming context is just a poor attempt at weaseling out by playing dumb.

It appears you take everything out of context, since it's so unimportant to you.

Originally posted by DaShi
But that's not what you said. You deliberately left that out.

You have comprehension problems. What does official mean to you?

Originally posted by DaShi
There are many who believe that in Japan there have been no efforts at apologies because of Chinese people who make statements like the one you made.

Japan still hasn't made any official apologies. Oh, just in case you don't understand, let me repeat it for you. Japan still hasn't made any official apologies.

Originally posted by DaShi
It is deliberately deceptive. And now you're trying to weasel out of it again by playing dumb.

I can't help you if you have personal problems.

Originally posted by DaShi
You certainly don't spend enough time in the mainland , if you mean ya tou (rather than tau, what is that, Greek?) which will probably cause you to get the crap beaten out of you if you use it here.

I somehow don't think you are an authority on contemporary Chinese usage.

Originally posted by DaShi
Perception is everything here? Perception has nothing to do with what you are claiming. But yes, it is all perceived.

This is your perception. So, you proved my point.

Originally posted by DaShi
God forbid China give other countries the same rights it gives to itself.

That China meddles with other countries internal affairs? Funny thing.

Originally posted by DaShi
Sadly, UR hasn't posted anymore. So I'll have to leave it at that until he returns. Frankly, I think he's about to lose his position as a CCP mouthpiece.

Tingkai is absolutely right about you.

[Drake Tungsten]

It appears that you are the only person who don't think that revisionism is at least part of the reason.

It's a convenient and proven excuse, I'll give you that.