Hanoi Jane says she's sorry for sitting on NVA AA gun during Vietnam war

[Ned]

Che, I agree that one has to be a true believer to believe in a lie.

[Odin]

Vietnam was unwinable, the US millitary sucks at guerilla warfare, especially when the majority of a country's population is not on our side. We couldn't go total war on North Vietnam because it would of caused World War III.

[Wycoff]

Originally posted by Odin
Vietnam was unwinable, the US millitary sucks at guerilla warfare, especially when the majority of a country's population is not on our side. We couldn't go total war on North Vietnam because it would of caused World War III.

Plus, the people of the United States had no real stake in winning Vietnam. How much did the average person care about how Vietnam was governed?

[Pax]

Ned and others who agree with him,

A rebuttal to your lengthy statement can be found here

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Imperialism-in-Asia#France_in_Indochina

and here

http://www.ichiban1.org/html/history/bc_1964_prewar/pre_colonialism_1427_1893.htm

and here

http://www.soc.ucsb.edu/projects/casemethod/beamish.html

and here

http://workmall.com/wfb2001/vietnam/vietnam_history_colonial_administration.html

and here

http://www.redboat.com/virtualhanoi/goodbadugly.html

I'm not disagreeing that the events you stated happened. I am only pointing out that the justification is complete BULL**** and when you think about it, the leading cause of communism is imperialism and the resulting oppression that most communist states have suffered at the hands of the so-called freedom loving countries.

For the record, Jane Fonda did not say she regretted going to North Vietnam. Only that she regretted taking a picture at the anti-aircraft gun. She also acknowledged that the NV governement took at advantage of her by getting her to do it. She maintains that she was acting in what she felt was the best interests of the American people and attempting to expose the lies of the Nixon Administration.

When you read through the links you'll see a very Christian Capitalistic Imperialistic country acting in it's own best interests against a weaker sovereign nation. You will see these Christians being bigoted and racist. Not only encouraging drug use but making it a law. The appeal of communism is that anything was better than being made third class citizens in your own country. The freedom that some of us espouse and thank god for was not being offered to most people living in the communist countries under there former leadership.

[Hueij]

To her, the US was clearly on the wrong side in the Vietnam war.

To her and to everyone else, except Ned of course...

[Ned]

Originally posted by Hueij

To her, the US was clearly on the wrong side in the Vietnam war.

To her and to everyone else, except Ned of course...

Everyone else, here. What does that imply about the politics of this forum?

Vietnam was winnable if we had invaded and occuppied at least the Southern portion of North Vietnam. How far north we could have advanced and avoided Chinese intervention, was the isssue.

Westmorland actually was planning just such an invasion when Tet happened. That is why Tet was the turning point in the war.

[Ned]

I wonder how John McCain and other tortured POW's feel about Jane now. She visited the POW's. As she passed down the line, some POW's passed her notes saying that they were being tortured. She turned these notes over to the commies, who promptly retaliated against the note writers, and then got on radio Hannoi saying that the POW's were being treated well. When McCain and others returned to the United States and reported their torture, she proclaimed that they were liars.

Notably, she has not apologized to the POW's.

[Space05us]

Re: Hanoi Jane says she's sorry for sitting on NVA AA gun during Vietnam war

Originally posted by Dissident
So does this improve your image of her?

was she a traitor?



but it's oh so much fun pissing all over her.

Clearly some people dont care about splashing themselves with thier own piss.

[Straybow]

Originally posted by Hueij

To her, the US was clearly on the wrong side in the Vietnam war.

To her and to everyone else, except Ned of course...

Everyone else? It's amazing how often "everyone" is used to butress one's personal position by assertion in conflict with fact.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
BTW, nye, it wouldn't be at all surprising if Chinese people living in Vietnam for a few hundred years didn't start eating Vietnamese food and learning Vietnamese.

At which point it wouldn't be unnatural to call them Vietnamese.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by TCO
Tell it to the frikking boat people! How many tried to escape?

People trying to run away from a war, what a shocking revelation.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
She turned these notes over to the commies,

I wonder when Ned's gonna get it through his head that this didn't happen.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Yeah, I suppose that everyone should have been happy to live under a one-party dictatorship with religious and political persecution.

Stange that there aren't any more boat people these days, while the "one-party dictatorship" is still firmly in place.

Something doesn't add up.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
At which point it wouldn't be unnatural to call them Vietnamese.

Maybe for Americans, who have a much more fluid idea of nationalism. But the Chinese still spoke Chinese, considered themselves Chinese and were considered by others to be Chinese.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
People trying to run away from a war, what a shocking revelation.

They fled after the fall of Saigon, but nice try anyway.

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Stange that there aren't any more boat people these days, while the "one-party dictatorship" is still firmly in place.

Something doesn't add up.

They kept trying to get out for a long while. Then policies in Western nations changed from open doors to ambivalence if not hostility. Also, things settled down within Vietnam (from what I've read).

Even then, there are still people trying to get out, but they are using normal immigration.

It's China that now has people desperate enough to flee that they could be called boat people.