Hanoi Jane says she's sorry for sitting on NVA AA gun during Vietnam war

[Boris Godunov]

I don't want any laws that tell people they can't say what they want. Jane had every constitutional right to think and say what she wanted, as revolting as it may have been.

[Joseph]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
At the time, "Hanoi Jane" posed for the infamous shot, I was very anti-war. But I -- and everyone I knew -- were shocked because she was so far over the line.

Legally, she wasn't a traitor because there was no declared war and thus no "enemy" to give aid and comfort to. (Tell that to the grunts who were being shot at. )

We really need some crime like "treason lite" or "second degree treason" or something to seep up people like her and like Oliver North (who purposely set out to subvert the Constitution from the basement of the White House).

"Hanoi Jane" is sorry? That's good, I guess. It's better than being not sorry.

Oliver North was a Lt. Col in the Marine Corp, and if you think for a momment that he could sell missile without approval from someone higher, then you don't understand Chain of Command. He took orders from a Vice Adm. (3 stars).

[Boris Godunov]

If Oliver North was guilty of a crime (and I think he clearly was), then yeah, he was just a small part of the team that participated in the crime. Resposibility for that went all the way to Reagan.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
If Oliver North was guilty of a crime (and I think he clearly was), then yeah, he was just a small part of the team that participated in the crime. Resposibility for that went all the way to Reagan.

Ollie North did two things wrong. he lied. He participated in disobeying an order from Congress. He should be punished for those. I have no problem with the policy issue of fighting communists though. I understand the candy-assed fellow traveleller pinko Democrat types (many of whom go around here actually emblazoned with mottoes like Communist party of Apolyton) feel different.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Which "democrats" are associating with her? Che isn't a democrat, after all.

Don't be a weasel. You guys bed down together enough. I think the people running around with Communist flags and pictures of Stalin are sick. And you liberal Democrats make common cause with these candy-ass "Che-cult" types all the time. Makes me sick. Why not run around with swasticas.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Cruddy
Uh huh. And the war helped them how, exactly?

Well they were a lot better off before than after. Maybe you want to tell me how the Cambodians were better off after the Khmer Rouge communists took over also.

[TCO]

How many millions of people in SV were getting on boats trying to escape before the NVA came in in 1975? How many women went through 100-odd rapes by Indonesian pirates. You ever pick any of them up, *******? My USNA roommate's ship did. They really ****ing existed. Didn't happen before. Did after. Maybe you should go live in some regime like that. Have them rape your sisters and kill your children. Then you jack off with your Civ crap.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by TCO
Don't be a weasel. You guys bed down together enough. I think the people running around with Communist flags and pictures of Stalin are sick. And you liberal Democrats make common cause with these candy-ass "Che-cult" types all the time. Makes me sick. Why not run around with swasticas.

Swastikas are reserved for genocidal, fascist thugs like you Republicans.

[KrazyHorse]

Nice to see GP's political discussion style remains as enlightened as ever...

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Nice to see GP's political discussion style remains as enlightened as ever...

I figure he's bored enough that it won't hurt to give him a nibble on his troll.

Ugh, that sounds bad...

[KrazyHorse]

Dude, you're blaming the North for something Indonesian pirates did?

Nice.

[notyoueither]

Maybe there's a reason 1,000,000 Vietnamese fled on flimsy boats after the fall of the South.

[KrazyHorse]

Again, you're blaming the North for what turned out to mainly be an unjustified fear

They were not responsible for the majority of civilian deaths in that conflict. They weren't a genocidal regime (like, say, the Khmer Rouge, or Mao's or Stalin's). The fact that a ****load of people freaked out and decided to go grab free citizenship in the US can't be blamed on them.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


So what kept them fighting against the Chinese for independence for four hundred years? Did they think the Chinese would be beaten in the living room? They had been fighting for thirty years against the Japanese, French, and the United States. What makes you think they were going to give up if we invaded the North and started a war with the PRC and the USSR?

I don't.

I think they would have given up eventually if the American media and popular opinion had not shown that you lot could be beat just like the French were.

I don't think they would have endlessly sacrificed the people and the future of the North to keep shooting in the South with no result and no prospect of one.

Not even the IRA kept up an insane policy when confronted with resolve for long enough.

The NV won because they made support for SV such a losing proposition politically in the US that when they broke the treaty your leaders were too chicken-**** to even give fuel and ammo to the SV.

In a word you got your asses thrashed, but not militarily. You got your asses thrashed psychologically. Hanoi Jane was part of that thrashing.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Again, you're blaming the North for what turned out to mainly be an unjustified fear

They were not responsible for the majority of civilian deaths in that conflict. They weren't a genocidal regime (like, say, the Khmer Rouge, or Mao's or Stalin's). The fact that a ****load of people freaked out and decided to go grab free citizenship in the US can't be blamed on them.

Yeah, I suppose that everyone should have been happy to live under a one-party dictatorship with religious and political persecution.

Isn't it funny that a million people thought that the possibility of drowning was preferable?