What are your thoughts on the new minuteman border patrol?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Wycoff
Being against illegal immigration doesn't mean you must be against all forms of immigration. It only means that you demand that all prospective immigrants follow the legal processes necessary to immigrate legally to the country. The border patrol isn't concerned with green card holding resident aliens, it's concerned with illegal intruders.

Sorry, but what a bunch of crap. If you are going to be a racist stop trying to dress it up. Limiting immigration is anti-immigration, which is racist.

[Sava]

I don't happen to think that illegal immigration is a HUGE problem.

However, I believe I have a unique perspective.

I think our legal immigration process needs to be reformed to accomodate the amount of people who want to come to America. If we do this, we will eliminate the need for people to come here illegaly. After we do that, then I would support putting border guards all along the border and shooting illegals on site.

As for this "minuteman" group... if all they do is call the authorities, that's fine. But I'm against vigilante action. Especially when it comes from people who are racist and against immigration in all forms.

[C0ckney]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Sorry, but what a bunch of crap. If you are going to be a racist stop trying to dress it up. Limiting immigration is anti-immigration, which is racist.

being against people doing something ILLEGAL is racist in the kidiverse...

[C0ckney]

by the way, good luck to these guys. they've found an issue they care about and are doing something about it

[Sava]

IMO, people who are vehemently against "illegal immigration" are racists. Deep down they are really against all immigration. It's just that the "illegal" status of undocumented persons gives them an excuse to be bigots.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by C0ckney


being against people doing something ILLEGAL is racist in the kidiverse...

It was once illegal for black people in the Alabama to sit at the front of the bus.

Kidiverse

[C0ckney]

you really are a comedian kid

[Kidlicious]

There's nothing immoral about breaking immoral laws.

You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
With the Mexican government publishing tips for illegals, it kind of lessens any problem I might have with people aiding the job of the Border Patrol.

They're aiding the Border patrol in the same way that vigilantes aid police, i.e., not at all. Expect to see the death rate go up around the border.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by C0ckney


being against people doing something ILLEGAL is racist in the kidiverse...

Yeah, how many of these guys are proposing to patrol the Canadian border or the streets of New York City? The only illegals anyone ever wants to do anything about are Mexicans. No one says we have to stop Canadians, Irish, Chinese, etc.

[Wycoff]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Sorry, but what a bunch of crap. If you are going to be a racist stop trying to dress it up. Limiting immigration is anti-immigration, which is racist.

You're basing your argument on unwarranted assumptions. I don't pretend to speak for all those in favor of immigration enforcement, but I believe that immigration laws should apply to all groups equally. I'm against illegal immigration of all types, regardless of whether the illegal is German, Salvadorean, Angolan, etc. I don't see how that is racist.

I have a few problems with the current illegal immigration situation. First of all, the porous southern border creates a huge national security risk. Besides admitting plenty of violent criminals, the border situation is an invitation to any terrorist able to make it to Central America. This presents the most obvious logical flaw in Bush's defense strategy, and one of the primary reasons I opposed the Iraq war.

Second, the constant illegal immigration across the southern border is creating ecological devastation, both on public and on private lands.

Third, the current situation allows easy entry for criminal
gangs and drug cartels. The current MS-13 explosion is just one of the examples.

Fourth, illegal immigration creates a lopsided immigration situation. The US needs immigrants to function. However, the large influx of illegal immigrants from Central America makes it much harder for prospective immigrants from other parts of the world to gain entry, as the demand for their services is being satisfied by illegals. A better controlled immigration system would allow a more equitable distribution of immigration, ensuring that more people from other depressed parts of the world (like Africa, Asia, former Soviet countries, etc.) can have the opportunity to become US citizens and ensuring that the US gets a diverse array of people from different cultures rather than the current situation, where the majority of immigrants are a single ethnicity. Such a one ethnicity problem can easily lead to defining that ethnicity as some sort of worker sub-class, which amounts to a defacto caste system.

Fifth, the system allows businessmen to exploit undocumented workers, and allows them to avoid paying their rightful share of taxes.

Sixth, illegals are currently entitled to some health care benefits that American citizens are not entitled to receive. Southwestern hospitals are being swamped with non-paying illegal immigrants.

You can call me a racist if you'd like. I learned long ago that the label "racist" is used by social liberals as a way to demonize those who disagree with them, just as laissez-faire capitalists use the terms "communist/socialist" to demonize anyone supporting any limitation on business. The labels are used so frequently that they are rendered meaningless. Thus, I take no offense to your name-calling. I don't deny that some who seek stricter immigration enforcement do so for primarily racist reasons. However, I vehemently disagree with the idea that anyone who demands stricter border enforcement is inherently racist.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
The only illegals anyone ever wants to do anything about are Mexicans.

The reason people see more concerned with the Mexican border than the Canadian one is that it presents the biggest problem security wise.

[Wycoff]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara They're aiding the Border patrol in the same way that vigilantes aid police, i.e., not at all.

Perhaps, or maybe they're helping border patrol in the same way that a neighborhood watch group helps the police. I completely support this group if they are going to call the proper authorities and report immigration infractions. Furthermore, I have no problem with this group defending themselves if fired upon by gang members anymore than I would a neighborhood watch volunteer defending himself if fired upon by a local criminal.

[Sava]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
The reason people see more concerned with the Mexican border than the Canadian one is that it presents the biggest problem security wise.

which country did the 9-11 hijackers come through again? thank you come again

[Wycoff]

Originally posted by Sava
which country did the 9-11 hijackers come through again? thank you come again

Weren't most (if not all) the 9/11 hijackers here on one type of expired Visa or another? If the INS would do it's job (it's either incompetent, unwilling to do it's job, or not allowed to do it's job, I'm not sure which) then there would have been no 9/11. The kicker is that the INS issued greencards to some of the hijackers AFTER 9/11, when the identities of the hijackers were known.