DinoDoc, let me get this straight. In order to determine what is or isn't Islamic I quote the Koran and you quote... USA Today?
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Islam is supposedly God's direct words so it is much more difficult to remove the 8th century barbarism from it compared to the other monotheistic religions.
Muhammad lived 570(1)-632, started having revelations 610. Al-Qur'an first official version came under rule of Uthman, and while I don't recall the exact dates (Abu Bakr 632-634, Umar 634-644, Uthman 644-?), it's still first half of VII century
and the genicide of all the Jews in western Arabia because they dared to want to keep their own religion.
That's forcing a barbaric 8th century legal code onto modern life.
European fundimentalists claimed that Europe had decayed because people weren't following god's will (sound familiar compared to modern Islam?) so they demanded unchristian things be burned including ancient greek and roman books."I realise I hold the key to freedom,
I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Not for her whole life, however. That's why I find the idolization of the Virgin Mary as bizarre. She didn't die a virgin, so she wouldn't be permanently ensconced that way.
Astrolabs were ancient Babalonian inventions"I realise I hold the key to freedom,
I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
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Originally posted by Heresson
Evangely of Mary Magdalene is gnostic crap.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
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Originally posted by Heresson
How do You know she didn't remain virgin?Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
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Originally posted by Heresson
How do You know she didn't remain virgin?
the idea that Mary could have had a child without sex is pure bull**** and fantasy... ONLY A COMPLETELY IGNORANT MORON WOULD BELIEVE THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION FAIRY TALETo us, it is the BEAST.
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Originally posted by Heresson
Not all Jews in western Arabia, but just Banu Qurayza, and just men; women and children were enslaved, three or two man were spared as well. Other tribes were expelled.
bsTry http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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Originally posted by Heresson
How do You know she didn't remain virgin?
Nothing in the Bible says she remained a Virgin for her entire life, and it's pretty silly to assume so given that Jesus had siblings and Mary remained married to Joseph to the end of her days.Tutto nel mondo è burla
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Read Bible. Jesus says that. He says for example You don't have to fast in sabat.
But he did not disavow all of the Old Testament, did he? He only said that there are certain things you don't have to do anymore.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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Originally posted by Oerdin
The stonings you speak of Jesus ordered stopped when pious people tried to stone Mary Magdelane to death.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
There are hints in the official four that it wasn't.
Cuz Jesus had brothers.According to the Bible, Jesus had siblings. Where did they come from?
because she allegedly had a child... sperm must combine with egg... unless they had artificial insemination in those days, SHE HAD SEX...
the idea that Mary could have had a child without sex is pure bull**** and fantasy... ONLY A COMPLETELY IGNORANT MORON WOULD BELIEVE THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION FAIRY TALE
You may recall Slobo being tried for Genocide because he drove out most of a religious group even though he only killed a few thousand. It's still genicide.
t's mirely the truth. The Christian fundimentalists burned a hell of a lot of books which they deemed to be unchristian and thus the source of Europe's problems
Actually, Christianity saved ancient knowledge for Europe, not destroyed it."I realise I hold the key to freedom,
I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
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Originally posted by Oerdin
The golden age of Islam was the 9th through the 11th centuries. The Caliphate started to disintegrate after that. One reason why the Crusaders were able to defend the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem for 200 years was the weakness of the Islamic state. The Caliphate was a dying animal by the middle ages. Other Muslim Kingdoms would arise especially the Tamarinds in Persia and the Moguls in India/Afghanistan but the golden age of the Islamic Empire was gone.
Anyway, this doesn't much relate to whether the Islamic world was more ore less culturally and scientifically dynamic than Europe in the late middle ages (by which time the Caliphate simply didn't exist).Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
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Originally posted by Last Conformist
I assume you mean "by the high middle ages"? At the start of the middle ages, Islam itself wasn't there.
Anyway, this doesn't much relate to whether the Islamic world was more ore less culturally and scientifically dynamic than Europe in the late middle ages (by which time the Caliphate simply didn't exist).
And there were other dinasties that claimed to be caliphs. also, Ottomans claimed that the last caliph transmitted his authority to them and as such, the caliphate existed up to 1923 or 4, I don't remember, when Atatuerk destroyed it.
Then, sharif of Mecca declared himself to be caliph in 1924, but in result Saudis attacked them and by 1925 all Higaz was conquered but the part that was annected by Transjordan."I realise I hold the key to freedom,
I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
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Originally posted by Oerdin
DinoDoc, let me get this straight.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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