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  • #46
    For example the BJJ (brazilian jiu jitsu) has had a long route, no one knows exactly, but guessing is from 1400 and India, there was this form of wrestling, very real, that somehow travelled into Japan, where the Samurais would adopt it to their own and modify it a little but not too much, for the fighting without the sword. So you know it's not a joke, because the idea was to kill with samurais, not to fight in the ring.

    From there, this Japanese dude who moved into Brazil in the early 1900s would teach it to some brazilian dude who helped him to organize a japanese ... quarters (for the lack of a better word) in brazil, so in return he taught that brazilian dude that. It was little stripped version, because of the obvious killing purposes of samurais. But still very real. Then it was passed on to some other people within the family (this would be the Gracie family by the way), and there was some good street fighters in there, who would adopt it to their style of street fighting in Brazil. And from there on it was known as BJJ, and later on .. the rest is history.

    This japanese dude, by the way, wanted to turn JJ into more of a sport, so they could do it in the olympics and what not. They stripped down lots of techniques and stuff, and formed a new one, called Judo.

    But the roots are in India for these, and hundreds of years ago, from some type of wrestling they did. That's all I know, I would love to know more about what they did in India, what part the fighters played in their society etc.
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    • #47
      It sounds like alot of the systems have their roots in India for some reason.

      That site I linked to, even said that Pankration was influenced by Alexander's soldiers, who were on the border with India before they turned back and went home.

      It also says that the Shaolin monks started their practice after the founder visited India.

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      • #48
        Yeah, a lot of stuff comes from there, I really don't know why. It could be said, that well maybe the real roots are somewhere else, but the point we can backtrack is India so it really might not be the end of the route but then again, so many do go back there and we can't go further back so there has to be more into it.

        And we are talking about the arts that have survived to these days. Of course there are all kinds of fist in the face arts from all over the world originated from their own countries, but somehow these from India are truly dominating, and let's not forget, that most of these are real life fighting stuff, with intent to kill and stuff, and very realistic, not some show or fancy kicks and stuff, but real working effective stuff. So why from India, why all this stuff from India?

        Also there are many other styles from close to India (well not exactly next to it but reasonably close) like Pencak silat and tons of other stuff. Really interesting.

        There's not a single good documentary film about this. Want to make money Ted? Hwo about you and me grab few cams, get tickets to India, travel around the area shooting stuff, and filming stuff, and getting high on all kinds of legal 'herbs', get on sunny beaches, live in bungaloes with hoes, exotic drinks, acapulco shirts and sandals, take a trip to the jungle and find out what it's all about, see Hindus and all kinds of folks, smile at a cow and not kill it, take a dip in the Ganges river, eat some weird local foods and get diarrhea for days, fight some dudes we're not sure why they attacked (but we won), get great material, shouting at Discovery we will sell it to other company if they won't send us more money for expenses because supposedly we were robbed (or maybe we had fun), then travel the neighbouring countries because we need to know the influences in there because it's all connected, go to singapore and get arrested for speaking at 9PM (who knows the laws in there!), definitely NOT get high, go on about filming, all the way to Japan, where it all ends to modern times, drink sake, sing karaoke with weird japanese teen girls we're not sure if they are high or like that normally, go to weird fetish parties that are under ground and get our bottoms spanked, clubbing, seeing places, interviewing all kinds of old dudes who claim to be masters, fight some yakuzas because we did something wrong we're not still sure about, go see some underground fights and film them secretly and then you get arrested but I bail you out because of my persuasive talking skills.. and then get paid a lot for doing the best documentary about it all. And then, because it was so succesfull, we can do a whole series later on and go into more detail, and make 200 trips more.
        How's that sound?
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        THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
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        • #49
          Originally posted by Pekka


          There's not a single good documentary film about this. Want to make money Ted? Hwo about you and me grab few cams, get tickets to India, travel around the area shooting stuff, and filming stuff, and getting high on all kinds of legal 'herbs', get on sunny beaches, live in bungaloes with hoes, exotic drinks, acapulco shirts and sandals, take a trip to the jungle and find out what it's all about, see Hindus and all kinds of folks, smile at a cow and not kill it, take a dip in the Ganges river, eat some weird local foods and get diarrhea for days, fight some dudes we're not sure why they attacked (but we won), get great material, shouting at Discovery we will sell it to other company if they won't send us more money for expenses because supposedly we were robbed (or maybe we had fun), then travel the neighbouring countries because we need to know the influences in there because it's all connected, go to singapore and get arrested for speaking at 9PM (who knows the laws in there!), definitely NOT get high, go on about filming, all the way to Japan, where it all ends to modern times, drink sake, sing karaoke with weird japanese teen girls we're not sure if they are high or like that normally, go to weird fetish parties that are under ground and get our bottoms spanked, clubbing, seeing places, interviewing all kinds of old dudes who claim to be masters, fight some yakuzas because we did something wrong we're not still sure about, go see some underground fights and film them secretly and then you get arrested but I bail you out because of my persuasive talking skills.. and then get paid a lot for doing the best documentary about it all. And then, because it was so succesfull, we can do a whole series later on and go into more detail, and make 200 trips more.
          How's that sound?
          That sounds like a mutu****in adventure!!!!!!!!!



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          • #50
            Yeah, an adventure and getting paid for it One of those things you could do and feel like you're doing something that is a) worth doing b) educating c) good for you personally, mentally and why not physically too d) time not wasted and maybe even feeling like this is life, this is it, I'm the master of it and I'm doing what I want, but at the same time coming out with a quality product. Of course with few bumps in the road, but that's life.
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            • #51
              Originally posted by SlowwHand
              A win is a win is a win.
              Points will get it done just as well as a k.o. or t.k.o.
              SLLLLLLLOOOOWWWW!!!



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              • #52
                Originally posted by Agathon
                When it's refereed properly and you get rid of the silly, violent hyping of matches, it's a fine sport.
                Any sport where the object is to bounce the other person's brain around isn't a real sport. No sport should have the intention of causing brain damage.
                Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                • #53
                  Pro wrestling ?

                  PRO wrestling ???













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                  • #54
                    SLOWW!!!!!

                    Where ya been?

                    Only weirdo here my wife hasn't talked to yet!



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                    Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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                    • #55
                      Hi, Tubs.

                      Been taking a break from those that have no concept of reality. (See above )
                      Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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                      He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                      • #56


                        Well stop it, who else can I fight with?



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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Tuberski


                          The heavyweight division is the worst boxing you can watch.

                          ACK!
                          Agreed. There is much more ringcraft from Sugar Ray Robinson than Mike Tyson. That said, it can be fun as a show to watch the big guys.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Agathon
                            The Heavyweight division suffered from the reduction in number of rounds to 12 from 15.

                            Watch an old heavyweight fight and you'll see that the fighters were fitter and lighter than they are now and could keep going well into the 13th or 14th round.

                            Watch any of the Ali-Frazier bouts or the Holmes-Norton bout and you'll see that heavys didn't always suck.

                            Nowadays, they're spent by the 8th or 9th. They're just too big and too cumbersome.
                            You have no clue about real boxing if you think that so many rounds should be run. They just lean on each other and waltz around. A 3 ring bout is way more intense.

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                            • #59
                              TCO dropped a German suplex on this one mofo.

                              Knocked him out cold.
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Pekka
                                Damn it, I didn't even get it. I just took the gas mask as general gay thing . PS! I do have a gas mask at home never used it in sex games though. It's for ... secret purposes (.. when the commies start taking over.. I'm ready).
                                Finlandization?

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