My Friend and I are Debating Over Wether Boxing is About the KO or the Points

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by TCO
amateur boxing like at USNA is all about points. I prefer those bouts because they are more intense. It doesn't seem reasonable to me to have 12 rounds. 3 rounds is enough. It exhausts you like wrestling.

The heavyweights are kinda interesting in the sense of power, but they spend a lot of time leaning on each other. And they don't hold their hands up defensively.

The heavyweight division is the worst boxing you can watch.

ACK!

[Agathon]

The Heavyweight division suffered from the reduction in number of rounds to 12 from 15.

Watch an old heavyweight fight and you'll see that the fighters were fitter and lighter than they are now and could keep going well into the 13th or 14th round.

Watch any of the Ali-Frazier bouts or the Holmes-Norton bout and you'll see that heavys didn't always suck.

Nowadays, they're spent by the 8th or 9th. They're just too big and too cumbersome.

[Ted Striker]

Check out these modern pankration fighters.

You would think they were Finnish or something!!!!

[Tuberski]

That looks like stick-figure fighting.........

ACK!

[Ted Striker]

You can check out all the action here:

http://www.pankration.freesurf.fr/iupad/

[Pekka]

The old pankration was hardcore. Yeah I would love if it was these days. Then again maybe the.. fights could be stopped earlier these days.

Fighting today means MMA. That's where it's at. Though boxing and all other sports are great too, and tough sports with tough men fighting.

[Ted Striker]

You just want to fight naked Pekka

[Pekka]

Not true. But I do fight in these little tiny tight pants. Let me get a pic for you.. just a sec.

[Ted Striker]

Do you wear a gas mask also ?!?!!?!

[Pekka]

http://www.susumug.com/photo_window_event.php?photo_num=11&bout_id=1028

Pretty much the same the guy on the left (black dude, Kevin Randleman) has. Naturally I don't wear those all the time, because those are meant for actual fight, so that no one can grab you and stuff, but in training I sometimes wear those and a t-shirt of course. But sometimes just the shorts, but extremely rarely only the shorts, because training doesn't force you to only wear those and it's usually more nicer to fight with t-shirt on because well, if you can have a choice wearing only shorts or something more, you tend to put on something more, to avoid teh gay . Also I usually wear other shorts, a little bigger (longer) than those.

and PS. it doesnt' feel very erotic or gay when you're fighting, or training. That kind of a comment is usually from someone who has never been involved in the sport . Just like people who claim wrestling is gay, because you're in all these positions. Getting soccer kicked in the face won't automatically bring a thought of wearing a protective gas mask either.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Pekka

and PS. it doesnt' feel very erotic or gay when you're fighting, or training. That kind of a comment is usually from someone who has never been involved in the sport . Just like people who claim wrestling is gay, because you're in all these positions. Getting soccer kicked in the face won't automatically bring a thought of wearing a protective gas mask either.

I KNOW

I was referring to the Finnish Army videos and pictures that Stefu showed. Like the one where the guys were wearing gas masks on their schlongs.

Of course if you are a fighter you don't want to be wearing alot of clothes because that just gives the other guy stuff to use agaist you. It would be like growing long hair.

But you gotta admit those Pankration guys wearing the loincloths is over the top.

[Pekka]

Damn it, I didn't even get it. I just took the gas mask as general gay thing . PS! I do have a gas mask at home never used it in sex games though. It's for ... secret purposes (.. when the commies start taking over.. I'm ready).

Yeah I do admit, that those Pankration ... loincloths are a bit weird. Maybe they wore those in the ancient times when they were fighting, but then again I think they must have been a lot shorter skirts than that back then, showing little piece of buttocks too when in the right position (standing up, leaning 1%).

I don't know man.. I don't know what those dudes are up to though. But there's something about the old spirit they must have had in the old days that I find extremely fascinating. The commitment, the competition, the level of hurt they went into, the training hardships and the knowledge of being a fighter from very young age and going for it, and back then extremely dangerous thing to do, considering the injuries they had all the time, crippling and all that stuff. Sure it can happen today too, but it's still nto the same when considering all the safety factors we have today (good doctors etc). I kind of admire that spirit.

[Pekka]

DP

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Pekka

I don't know man.. I don't know what those dudes are up to though. But there's something about the old spirit they must have had in the old days that I find extremely fascinating. The commitment, the competition, the level of hurt they went into, the training hardships and the knowledge of being a fighter from very young age and going for it, and back then extremely dangerous thing to do, considering the injuries they had all the time, crippling and all that stuff. Sure it can happen today too, but it's still nto the same when considering all the safety factors we have today (good doctors etc). I kind of admire that spirit.

Yeah back then they often fought to the death.

They also fought naked. I think those guys in the picture were trying to reproduce the spirit as much as they could. So they wanted to fight as close to being naked as possible. But they had to cover up a little bit.

In my case I would make a bad pankration fighter because my suoro is too much a target it would be too easy to hit.

[Pekka]

do you want to know what suoro means in finnish? It means.. yes, penis. Wait a minute. How did you know that?

oh yeah naked. What was I on about little skirts? Of course they fought naked. Somehow I had this brainfart that maybe they had skirts lkie that but a lot shorter. Wow, I must be losing my mind.

Yeah anyway... well you have to wonder why someone would choose to be a fighter, and face crippling or even death as likely outcome at some point, rather sooner than later.. and for what... I don't think the fighters were rich or got a fat purse, but of course they had other reasons. And maybe they were respected then a lot more than fighters today. I would very much like to fight a real pankration fighter from those days, but not naked obviously. And with some rules, that for example I wouldn't be killed in case I lose. So referee to stop the fight, or my corner with the towel, but I would like to fight those dudes. Unfortunately not possible, because they're all dead.

I wonder what other real fighters and real fighting happened in the old days, other than that. in other cultures.. do you know? Rome and gladiators don't count. Has to be hand to hand combat, 1 on 1, very little rules if any.