Schiavo Thread Part Deux

[Bill3000]

Originally posted by Tuberski




Wrong. I support gay marriage. Look in any gay marriage thread.

Wedding vows say 'til death do us part. He didn't obey his vow.

Therefore, using moral high ground to defend him is ridiculous.

ACK!

But she's dead in sentience anyway. If her mind is dead, I would consider that dead. She's just a shell now.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
He fell in with a Commie cult.

After I stopped being a Republican, and after I stopped being a Democrat too, for that matter. They caught me when I was sort of in a "spiritual" crisis, when I realized that if the people working for the U.S. government were willing to break the law abroad, why would they respect it at home if they thought it necessary to "save" the country. Kinda makes you realize the futility of electoral politics as a path for making the world a better place.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
it's only the self-righteous, evil, hypocritical bastards who want to force the rest of us to live by their bliefs I hate. And I'm allowed, cuz they want to force me to think and believe and act in ways contrary to my beliefs and desires.

Funny that many would say the same about most ideologues.

[Ned]

Originally posted by GePap


Why? This presumption has a 50-50 chance of being wrong, meaning you might very well be denying her the right to refuse medical care, which is every American's right. This is why the case went to court, and three witnesses spoke, and the court decided that there was sufficient evidence under Florida law to establish she would have wanted to die.

If anything is ideology driven, if the assumption to "favor life".

GePap, no doubt there was sufficient evidence produced at trial to condemn Terri to death. But Terri had no attorney to test that evidence and to introduce contrary witnesses. Is that fair?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Competent investigation after competent investigation has been conducted and all of the anti-abortion rights peoples' lies can't change that. 19 judges and 12 doctors have presided over this case for the last 15 years and every single one of them has come to the exact same conclusion. Inventing desenting doctors who have never even seen the patient just doesn't cut it in a court of law.

I wish the religious right would just mind their own damn business for once in their life because this is what Terri told her husband, there mutual friends, and he sister in law what she wanted if this ever happened to her. The law is clear as crystal and that's why the supreme court has refused to entertain the rabid religious right's frivolous legal motions some half dozen times. The religious groups are trying to force their personal beeliefs upon other people and that's just not right.

Actually, I think it's her parents.

I agree it's a **** sandwhich, but I think they feel right in what they are doing/are allowing to be done.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Capt Dizle
You can't say stuff like that completely out of context. The Chicago Tribune has no standing whatsoever to determine whether or not someone has been adequately represented or not.

They found that most pople facing with capital punishment were frequently unable to obtain adequate counsel and relied up court appointed attorneys. These attorneys were frequently overworked, incompetent, and or negligent. They illustrated with cases where the attornies fell asleep during the trial, did no investigation or interviewed no witnesses, etc. They did a massive investigative series on it back in 2001, and then some *******s decide to committ some massacres in NYC and DC and the issue dropped like a rock.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Funny that many would say the same about most ideologues.

They'd probably be right. Many of my cothinkers scare the bejeezuz outta me.

[Ramo]

Apparently the court appointed doctor only spent about a half-hour examining Terri, though.

Source?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
If this was addressed to me,

It was not.

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by Ned


GePap, no doubt there was sufficient evidence produced at trial to condemn Terri to death. But Terri had no attorney to test that evidence and to introduce contrary witnesses. Is that fair?

Ned, are you trying to break new legal ground here? Is it customary to have counsel appointed? If not, you are asking for a radical departure, a tough sell.

I thought the due process claim had been thoroughly reviewed already multiple times?

[Ned]

Originally posted by TCO
Clearly this whole debate shows that a signed statement is the way to go for these issues. What is to stop a future husband from lying about his wife's feelings in the future (even if Terri's is telling the truth)?

Also, I would think that whenever a husband actively begins to try to have his wife put to death through his uncorroborated testimony, I would either deny the motion or appoint an attorney to represent the wife. I think Florida's law that allows someone to be put to death without evidence and without counsel is blatantly unconstitutional.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


They'd probably be right. Many of my cothinkers scare the bejeezuz outta me.

You are honest about it. I have to give you that.

[Ned]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


It's not bigotry if its true.

Universally true is required for your bigotry to be something else than it is.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Ramo

Apparently the court appointed doctor only spent about a half-hour examining Terri, though.

Source?

Won't give you the satisfaction. You're going to get all huffy when it's NEWSMAX.

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


They found that most pople facing with capital punishment were frequently unable to obtain adequate counsel and relied up court appointed attorneys. These attorneys were frequently overworked, incompetent, and or negligent. They illustrated with cases where the attornies fell asleep during the trial, did no investigation or interviewed no witnesses, etc. They did a massive investigative series on it back in 2001, and then some *******s decide to committ some massacres in NYC and DC and the issue dropped like a rock.

Even if they were correct in this, I can't see that it has much bearing on Schiavo. I think you took a cheap shot at Curious George.

doesn't upset me a lot right now believe me