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  • #31
    Originally posted by Giancarlo


    I'm still wondering who hacked your account? I don't use copouts. Only you people do.
    I've been in favor of gun control since I joined this board.


    Berzerker and I argued about it way before your time.
    We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Ted Striker


      I've been in favor of gun control since I joined this board.
      Again, I'm not against gun control. I'm against gun bans.
      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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      • #33

        I don't support banning the sales of handguns in urban areas, however I do support fingerprinting and gun registration. Don't get me wrong, I don't want felons getting guns. But here in LA it is far too late for that.
        You ban guns, then you'll have a situation like the UK. If the police see someone with a gun, 99 times out of 100 it's going to be an illegal gun, and they can go for him. If it's legal, he isn't allowed to carry it in public anyway, so it makes life far easier for the police to catch criminals.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by Giancarlo
          Leftists using the deaths of 10 people for political purposes.

          http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...chool_shooting
          Rightists using the death of 2,800 people for political purposes

          In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Whaleboy


            You ban guns, then you'll have a situation like the UK. If the police see someone with a gun, 99 times out of 100 it's going to be an illegal gun, and they can go for him. If it's legal, he isn't allowed to carry it in public anyway, so it makes life far easier for the police to catch criminals.
            Yeah in the UK you have an example of where crime is skyrocketing... by other means... like knives. So your strawman attacks don't really hold up now do they? Banning guns didn't stop the skyrocketing rate in crime in the UK. In fact during the same time violent crime is falling in the US nationally. So your argument DOES NOT HOLD.

            DEBUNKED!
            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Oncle Boris


              Rightists using the death of 2,800 people for political purposes
              **** you.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • #37
                Personal attack!
                In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Giancarlo


                  Yeah in the UK you have an example of where crime is skyrocketing... by other means... like knives. So your strawman attacks don't really hold up now do they? Banning guns didn't stop the skyrocketing rate in crime in the UK. In fact during the same time violent crime is falling in the US nationally. So your argument DOES NOT HOLD.

                  DEBUNKED!
                  UK murder rate rose from 1999 to 2003, very slightly, but then took a drastic drop last year.

                  During that same time, firearms usage also increased.
                  We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Ted Striker


                    UK murder rate rose from 1999 to 2003, very slightly, but then took a drastic drop last year.

                    During that same time, firearms usage also increased.
                    Perhaps... but violent crime was up 14%...

                    BBC, News, BBC News, news online, world, uk, international, foreign, british, online, service


                    "Violent crime in England and Wales has risen 14%, Home Office figures show."

                    While the US registered a drop..

                    Newsmax.com reports today’s news headlines, live news stream, news videos from Americans and global readers seeking the latest in current events, politics, U.S., world news, health, finance, and more.


                    "WASHINGTON -- The nation's murder rate rose slightly in the first half of the year despite a 3.1 percent drop in overall violent crime, the FBI reported Monday."
                    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                    • #40

                      Yeah in the UK you have an example of where crime is skyrocketing... by other means... like knives. So your strawman attacks don't really hold up now do they? Banning guns didn't stop the skyrocketing rate in crime in the UK. In fact during the same time violent crime is falling in the US nationally. So your argument DOES NOT HOLD.

                      DEBUNKED!
                      Hardly, violent crime per capita in the UK is miles below the US. It may be rising, but that's like pissing in a rock pool while staring out to sea.
                      "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
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                      • #41
                        Oncle Boris
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                        "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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                        • #42
                          Again, I'm not against gun control. I'm against gun bans.
                          If by gun control you mean people being able to use guns in licenced gun ranges where the weapons are stored securely and cannot be privately owned, so at least people can enjoy a shooting hobby then I might agree with you. At the very least, weapons should not be allowed in public and especially tight controls should be placed upon concealed weapons.
                          "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
                          "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Whaleboy


                            Hardly, violent crime per capita in the UK is miles below the US. It may be rising, but that's like pissing in a rock pool while staring out to sea.
                            Our violent crime is dropping, nonetheless.
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Whaleboy


                              If by gun control you mean people being able to use guns in licenced gun ranges where the weapons are stored securely and cannot be privately owned, so at least people can enjoy a shooting hobby then I might agree with you. At the very least, weapons should not be allowed in public and especially tight controls should be placed upon concealed weapons.
                              No, i'm against such pissing on our freedoms. I think people should be able to own guns privately. I don't support pissing on the constitution and freedoms like you do.
                              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                              • #45
                                When's the UK going to overtake the US in violent crime at current rates? 20 years? 30 years? During which time, do you not think that the post Thatcher crime wave in the UK would have been arrested?

                                The crime rate itself is mostly in the big cities, Birmingham, London, Nottingham... but former hot spots are now peaceful, like Newcastle and Manchester... violent crime in the UK is far easier to stamp out than in the US because we're a fundamentally more peaceful society with no history of high gun penetration to deal with.
                                "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
                                "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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