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  • #46
    Originally posted by Whaleboy
    When's the UK going to overtake the US in violent crime at current rates? 20 years? 30 years? During which time, do you not think that the post Thatcher crime wave in the UK would have been arrested?

    The crime rate itself is mostly in the big cities, Birmingham, London, Nottingham... but former hot spots are now peaceful, like Newcastle and Manchester... violent crime in the UK is far easier to stamp out than in the US because we're a fundamentally more peaceful society with no history of high gun penetration to deal with.
    I still don't think we should ban guns, despite what you think. I do not think gun banning as you freedom haters want is the answer.
    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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    • #47
      No, i'm against such pissing on our freedoms. I think people should be able to own guns privately. I don't support pissing on the constitution and freedoms like you do.
      Ah I'm sorry, I didn't realise the Zombie of George III was causing you a problem. Sit tight, I'll call the House of Lords. If you see the redcoats coming, a tin hat and a flag should be more than enough to ward away the four-pounders. Just pray they don't take a liking to you and remove the bayonette... you just don't know what the Scots Dragoons will do in your climate .
      "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
      "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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      • #48
        whatever. I got nothing else to say to you whaleboy. you want to be immature.. fine with me.
        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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        • #49
          I still don't think we should ban guns, despite what you think. I do not think gun banning as you freedom haters want is the answer.
          See you talk about freedom but you don't have a clue what you're on about. Freedoms on a 200 year old piece of paper are all well and good, but when children are being shot in school it all seems pretty empty doesn't it? I'm sure their corpses exude freedom from every exit wound.
          "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
          "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Whaleboy


            See you talk about freedom but you don't have a clue what you're own about. Freedoms on a 200 year old piece of paper are all well and good, but when children are being shot in school it all seems pretty empty doesn't it? I'm sure their corpses exude freedom from every exit wound.
            Oh give me a ****ing break. I do have a clue. You are the one who doesn't. If we listened to you we might as well surrender ourself to terrorists. And i'm sick of your cop-outs.
            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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            • #51
              How am I a cop out? I don't recall ever agreeing with you.

              And as for terrorists, as Imran put it once so perfectly, terrorists don't hate our freedoms, we do. Enough to keep guns in order to defend the rolling hills of Arizona, the pristine peaks of Texas and the 'lecky chairs of Mississippi from the hoards of femicommienazi gay Islamists flooding in from every shore? God bless America .
              "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
              "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Whaleboy
                How am I a cop out? I don't recall ever agreeing with you.

                And as for terrorists, as Imran put it once so perfectly, terrorists don't hate our freedoms, we do. Enough to keep guns in order to defend the rolling hills of Arizona, the pristine peaks of Texas and the 'lecky chairs of Mississippi from the hoards of commienazi Islamists flooding in from every shore? God bless America .
                No you hate our freedoms, and you want us to be ****ed over. But whatever..
                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Whaleboy
                  When's the UK going to overtake the US in violent crime at current rates? 20 years? 30 years? During which time, do you not think that the post Thatcher crime wave in the UK would have been arrested?

                  The crime rate itself is mostly in the big cities, Birmingham, London, Nottingham... but former hot spots are now peaceful, like Newcastle and Manchester... violent crime in the UK is far easier to stamp out than in the US because we're a fundamentally more peaceful society with no history of high gun penetration to deal with.

                  What blows my mind is that nearly every observer that lives outside of the US keeps saying the same thing, OVER AND OVER.

                  You Americans have too many guns and are too violent.

                  It's not even something they have to study or debate. It's blindingly obvious to them on the DUH level.

                  But our own population continues to delude itself with all this guns and Constitution crap. The answer is blindingly obvious to outsiders.
                  We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Whaleboy
                    the hoards of femicommienazi gay Islamists flooding in from every shore? God bless America .




                    OWN3D
                    We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                    • #55


                      What blows my mind is that nearly every observer that lives outside of the US keeps saying the same thing, OVER AND OVER.

                      You Americans have too many guns and are too violent.

                      It's not even something they have to study or debate. It's blindingly obvious to them on the DUH level.

                      But our own population continues to delude itself with all this guns and Constitution crap. The answer is blindingly obvious to outsiders.
                      God I know... I mean as a foreigner we can sit back and have a chuckle but it must be so frustrating to be reasonable in a sea of hicks and lead. It's a problem that needs more than gun controls though, consider Japan. A long history of big long sharp things, it takes social struggle and a long war with China to arrest that, because it's something that has penetrated popular history and culture... kind of like a teenager that still wets the bed.
                      "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
                      "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Ted Striker






                        OWN3D
                        With that line of debates the only thing he is "OWNING" is his own ass.
                        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                        • #57
                          With that line of debates the only thing he is "OWNING" is his own ass.
                          Hey you had your chance with my ass
                          "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
                          "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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                          • #58
                            Very true.


                            Violence and self preservation at all costs are ingrained into our society

                            We have been taught that violence has solved alot of problems on many different levels, both personal and as a community. On the Community level, the Civil War (freeing slaves) and World War 2 (assisting in the defense of the free world) are in my opinion the biggest influences in our society.

                            On a personal individual level, I'm too lazy to type all that right now, it would take pages of psychology and history to write it all up.
                            We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Whaleboy


                              Hey you had your chance with my ass
                              I wouldn't touch you ever.. commie ass doesn't turn me on.
                              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                              • #60
                                On a personal individual level, I'm too lazy to type all that right now, it would take pages of psychology and history to write it all up.
                                I think I know what you mean, rugged individualism/self-sufficiency stuff? I think it has a place, but all good ideas have their limits.

                                I wouldn't touch you ever.. commie ass doesn't turn me on.


                                You make a fantastic Frappacino Gian
                                "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
                                "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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