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  • #46
    sorry for the threadjack but socialism is the way of the future! ...

    so if i get this right some people thing that marriage is partly there to get childern?...hmz...interesting point of view when you think that all major regilion thinks that sex is bad and childer have no rights...
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    • #47
      Ned must think doing anything good, moral and compassionate like helping the poor makes you an evil liberal commie who hates America and loves terrorism.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Odin
        Ned must think doing anything good, moral and compassionate like helping the poor makes you an evil liberal commie who hates America and loves terrorism.
        Odin, being a follower of Christ, I think taking care of the poor is mandatory. What I do not think, though, that stripping people of their rightfully gained money as a form of punishment, which is the essence of socialism, is right. Christianity also teaches that envy is a sin just as much as not taking care of the poor. Socialism truly does not care so much about taking care of the poor as it is about envy.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by Ned
          cyclotron7, I have no idea why this thread got into Republican bashing as the Judges who have been writing these opinions both in Mass. and in California are Republicans.
          I apologize, I don't think I was Republican-bashing, some of us got off track talking about California politics generally. You're absolutely right, will stop now.

          Anyway... It looks like mayor Newsom's offensive payed off, but I'm still wondering what this means for him in the long run. Whatever the final result, he's certainly increased his visibility nationwide, and (probably) secured the mayorship for as long as he cares to keep it. All the talk of him being an upcoming "Democratic superstar" flys in the face of what seems to be obvious: most people in America don't want gay marriage.

          I've read most, but not all of the decision, and I can't find any holes in their logic, but I'm chiefly concerned with the impact this will have on the Democrats.

          And furthermore, if because of this California passes an amendment of the state constitution banning gay marriage, won't Newsom's gamble have damaged their cause more than it aided it?
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          • #50
            Originally posted by Ned


            Odin, being a follower of Christ, I think taking care of the poor is mandatory. What I do not think, though, that stripping people of their rightfully gained money as a form of punishment, which is the essence of socialism, is right. Christianity also teaches that envy is a sin just as much as not taking care of the poor. Socialism truly does not care so much about taking care of the poor as it is about envy.
            You conveniently leave out that Jesus told a rich guy that if he want's to go to heaven he must give away all his earthly belongings, or when he said that the meek will inheret the Earth. Good Christians, like my family (who would be categorized as religious progressives) would be FOR wealth redistrobution. My family would call you a sinner for your support of greed.

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            • #51
              It will take some time, but eventually same-sex marriages will be legal throughout the US. As long as sexual orientation is recognized as a divisor between majority and minority at the federal level, that makes being gay a protected minority. No discriminating. What will come after it, that's what will be interesting. As the polygamists will come out and sue for their right to contractually screw up their lives as well.
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              • #52
                Oh great the gay marriage will cause polygamy argument. Polygamy was legal before. Additionally people made the same argument for inter-racial marriages.. it didn't quite happen now did it?
                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                • #53
                  Polygamy got outlawed quite a long time ago. That's why the Mormons headed off for the desert... they were persecuted for practicing such outdated paganism. Even then, the Mormons tried several ways to continue their religious practice.

                  Inter-racial marriages does enable gay marriage in many of the states that haven't yet made a state constitutional amendment against it. Equal protection, no discrimination terms feature prominently in such legislation.

                  In a few short years after same sex marriage, we will see a lot of wacky cases... like people wanting to marry their horses or sheep. But we will see the polygamous also file for their own rights to marry. And there won't be legal standing to resist it (between consenting adults), once the right to marry whoever you want is federally established, regardless of sex, race, religion, etc. Otherwise, they are being discriminated against. Consider fundamental Muslims or Mormon polygamous, for instance. You'd be discrimininating against their religion. That would never stand up in court, once you have removed any claims that marriage is a procreation factory or some form of child creche.

                  That isn't a reason to stop gay marriage. It isn't an argument against it. The only strong argument against gay marriage is that I'm for it.
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                  • #54
                    Gay marriage has nothing to do with polygamy, really. Nor does it have to do with bestiality. Those are cop-outs that were typically used against inter-racial marriage. Total cop-outs. Gay marriage is between two adults, not more then two, and certainly not between a human and an animal. So your argument just doesn't hold.
                    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                    • #55
                      Gay marriage has nothing to do with polygamy, really. Nor does it have to do with bestiality.


                      All three are examples of non-traditional marriage. And what is so wrong with marriage between more than two consenting adults?
                      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                        Gay marriage has nothing to do with polygamy, really. Nor does it have to do with bestiality.


                        All three are examples of non-traditional marriage. And what is so wrong with marriage between more than two consenting adults?
                        This is just another cop-out. Stop comparing gay marriage to bestiality and polygamy. It just isn't a good argument. It never has been never will be...
                        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Giancarlo
                          This is just another cop-out. Stop comparing gay marriage to bestiality and polygamy. It just isn't a good argument. It never has been never will be...
                          Is gay marriage a traditional form of marriage?

                          And once again, why are you such a bigot in dealing with polygamy?
                          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


                            Is gay marriage a traditional form of marriage?

                            And once again, why are you such a bigot in dealing with polygamy?
                            Gay marriage is between two adults.

                            I never said polygamy was wrong. I don't really care. So don't use logical fallacies.
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • #59
                              marriage is a contract between indivifuals. people who qualify are:
                              1.straights
                              2.gays
                              3.polygamists
                              4.anyone i forgot.

                              so its quite simple. straight marriage=gay marriage=polygamist marriage
                              "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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                              • #60
                                Gay marriage is between two adults.


                                And traditional marriage is between a man and a woman. Gay marriage is not traditional.

                                I do wonder why homosexuals recoil when their rights are linked to polygamist rights. What is so wrong with polygamists?

                                The fact of the matter is that allowing homosexuals to marry will open the door. There will be no exclusive club anymore and maybe groups like polygamists won't have to hide their faith and be able to get married like they used to.

                                It seems like homosexuals just want themselves to go through the door and shut that door behind them.
                                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                                - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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