Gay Marriages: San Francisco California Superior Court Ruling

[Imran Siddiqui]

we can all agree that forbidding inter-racial marriage was stupid and rasict then why cant we do the same about forbidding gay marriage

We are... inter-racial groups, homosexual groups, and polygamist groups are all correct in wanting to change the law. Simply because they are seperate groups doesn't mean they are not fighting for similar ends (and should be fighting for those ends).

but the shutting the door behind gay marriage is a stupid agrument...gay marriage has been legal in many other era`s...way before christianity...we all think marriage is a christian invention....WRONG...

So has Polygamy. In fact, I'd say polygamy has been much more widespread than homosexual marriage in history.

[Cyclotron]

Perhaps one of the reasons people have a different response to polygamy is the association with child abuse that it has acquired.

This argument won't go anywhere because all of this depends on what you define as marriage. In the end it will be what people think 20 years from now that decides this issue, and I don't think court rulings at this point will have much effect on what the issue in the long run. The definition of marriage (two adults, or a man and a woman, or multiple people of any gender) isn't any more concrete than the opinions of the majority, and is subject to change as people continue to die and raise hippie children.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Odin


You conveniently leave out that Jesus told a rich guy that if he want's to go to heaven he must give away all his earthly belongings, or when he said that the meek will inheret the Earth. Good Christians, like my family (who would be categorized as religious progressives) would be FOR wealth redistrobution. My family would call you a sinner for your support of greed.

Giving away wealth is one thing. Taking it away is quite another. That is theft, which violates yet another commandment.

No, you socialists believe that wealth per se is "cruel." Al Gore used and still uses this phase constantly. Their is no ambiguity that the goal of socialism is to eliminate the wealthy -- as fast as possible. Why, when you get into total power, we begin to see long lines of the wealthy waiting their turn at the guillotine.

The desire of the wealthy to keep what they have is not greed. The desire of the socialists to steal it from them though is.

[Odin]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Ned

The desire of the wealthy to keep what they have is not greed. [QUOTE]

The hell if it isn't

[chequita guevara]

Now that's the Ned we know and love.

[Agathon]

No they won't, because those on the side of freedom will eventually prevail.

Not if people like you keep voting for the other side.

[Ned]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Now that's the Ned we know and love.

Thanks Che.

On the polygamy issue, I dare say that it can still be outlawed under the rational of the court because the marriage of a spouse to a third person violates the essential "exclusivity" of the first marriage contract.

But, of course, this is unimportant in Islamic societies where women do not seem to have the same rights as men. There, men seem to have exclusive rights in their wives, but not the other way around.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Darkstar
Giancarlo, is English your native language? I ask seriously. Please, re-read your posts. You state you are against Polys (quoting you)"because I am gay". If that isn't what you meant to post, you should clarify that. You are the one that is apparently having trouble reading. And perhaps posting. Is that a mistype on your part? An editting error?

I thought you were referring to why I was in favor of gay marriage. Obviously it was a communication error on your part. I do not have against polygamists (don't use polys because that sounds like you are refering to posters here lol). I'm not a bigot. So stop accusing me of such. In this thread we are talking about gay marriage, not polygamy.

You also jumped subjects. You stated clearly you were against polygamy, because you are gay. Not that you are against gay marriage. That, you state clearly that you are for. I presume that's (quoting you)"because I am gay".

I never said I was against polygamy. I said personally I don't care.. honestly, I don't care if someone has more then one wife or husband. But it is pretty mean to not be satisfied with one person. Now you are just being a jerk for making up my beliefs for me.

Perhaps you should calm down? Are you actually posting what you think you are posting? Is there a Giancarlo to English translator available, or is that a cypher that isn't made available until I make my 100K post?

YOu are the one who should lay off the ad hominems. Everything I have made here is in clear english (despite a few mistakes that any human can make). I think you should calm down and stop attacking people personally.

It's just not logically connected as it currently stands.

That's correct. Polygamy is not logically connected to gay marriage.

[Imran Siddiqui]

On the polygamy issue, I dare say that it can still be outlawed under the rational of the court because the marriage of a spouse to a third person violates the essential "exclusivity" of the first marriage contract.

Actually, I bet that when polygamy is taken up by the court again, the Court will not be able to continue to say the state can make it illegal. Back in the 1870s, they used a 'rational basis' test for free exercise of religion. They don't use that test anymore for the free exercise clause.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Ned
Giving away wealth is one thing. Taking it away is quite another. That is theft, which violates yet another commandment.

Taxes are not theft. Even the Bible says so. "Give unto Caesar"

No, you socialists believe that wealth per se is "cruel." Al Gore used and still uses this phase constantly. Their is no ambiguity that the goal of socialism is to eliminate the wealthy -- as fast as possible. Why, when you get into total power, we begin to see long lines of the wealthy waiting their turn at the guillotine.

you have it backwards, the goal of socialism is to eliminate the poor

The desire of the wealthy to keep what they have is not greed. The desire of the socialists to steal it from them though is.

this is what we call, "****ed reasoning"...

[Giancarlo]

"the goal of socialism is to eliminate the poor"

If I were you sava, I would change the wording cause that kinda sounds like you get rid of them by force.

[Wittlich]

Originally posted by Sava
this is what we call, "****ed reasoning"...

[Sava]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
If I were you sava, I would change the wording cause that kinda sounds like you get rid of them by force.

interpretation is in the eye of the beholder... it's not surprising you read it that way...

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Sava
interpretation is in the eye of the beholder... it's not surprising you read it that way...

Well suit yourself.. just don't come back whining to me when people interpret it differently then what you intended.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


Well suit yourself.. just don't come back whining to me when people interpret it differently then what you intended.

I'm not responsible for other people's stupidity.