Gay Marriages: San Francisco California Superior Court Ruling

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Oerdin
To be fair the state goverment repeatedly proved they were to partisan and/or incompetant to be trusted with the funds. They kept cutting education to pay for junk special interest programs so voters passed a law saying 40% of income must be spent on education. In order to save those pet projects the politicians continually raised property taxes until they were through the roof so voters passed a law which capped property taxes at a certain percentage and made it require a 2/3 majority in order to raise taxes.

Your history's not quite right. What happened is Gov. Reagan wanted to cut taxes but not services, and yet he was required to submit a balanced budget. So his moved a bunch of the more expensive programs from the state down to the county level. The counties' only tax was the property tax, so they had to raise it; retirees folks started losing their houses, and presto: Prop 13 came into being.

Balanced budget amendment

We've always had a balanced budget amendment.

Davis violated it by borrowing to "balance" his budget & he got recalled. The Govenator borrowed even more money but passed a redundant proposition saying he couldn't ever borrow again. His second year, he borrowed again.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Oerdin

Currently the government spends to much because politicians get reelected by acting like the candy man to every special interest they can find (look how Grey Davis pandered to the Prison Guard's union by tripling their salaries). The problem seems clear to me; the state house has once again proven it can't be trusted so we need to make it damn hard for them to borrow money. Enter a balanced budget amendment.

That is the problem with American system of government.. We are so pluralistc (as opposed to countries with proportional representation, which are more majoritarian), that a few people, especially businesspeople, control the agenda instead of the people. The US is not a democracy, it's an oligarchy ruled by the special intrests.

[Giancarlo]

We are doing very well with Arnold Schwarzenegger... people like Zkribbler are just in denial..

[Odin]

In Minnesota we are also having a buget row. We have a ~$400 million buget shortfall we must balance because we cannot borrow monney. The Republican governor and his buddies who control the house by a 1 seat margin promised not to raise taxes, education and helthcare spending be damned. The Democrats, which have a strong majority in the Senate, want to raise taxes to fully fund the things the Repukes want to cut. And of course, the Republicans, as usual, have to bring up gay marrige as a distraction (Minnesota is fiscally liberal, but is socially conservative, especially in the areas with a large German-American population in the south) because most Minnesotans don't like the governor's proposed cuts.

[Shi Huangdi]

I suspect were it to come to a ballot iniative, there would be another gay marriage ban in California. Gay marriage really isn't popular in this country.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
I suspect were it to come to a ballot iniative, there would be another gay marriage ban in California. Gay marriage really isn't popular in this country.

Don't count on California. It is the opposite nowadays (more are in favor). When the previous gay marriage ban was done it passed by a very razor thin margin.

[Shi Huangdi]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


Don't count on California. It is the opposite nowadays (more are in favor). When the previous gay marriage ban was done it passed by a very razor thin margin.

link to a poll?

In 2004 Gay Marriage Bans passed overwhelmingly, even in states and some counties that went for Kerry.

[Ted Striker]

The only real blue state that went for the Bigot Law 2004 was surprising was Oregon.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi


link to a poll?

In 2004 Gay Marriage Bans passed overwhelmingly, even in states and some counties that went for Kerry.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/02/26/POLL.TMP

"The statewide poll found that 50 percent of those surveyed disapproved of same-sex marriage, while 44 percent are in favor. When the Field Poll first asked the question 27 years ago, only 28 percent voiced approval and 59 percent were opposed. In the years since, there has been a steady but slow rise in acceptance, polls have shown."

This state is increasingly going in our favor.

[:) Smiley]

from http://www.usoutofsf.com/

That's right, America, we here in San Francisco are officially
sick of your ****, and we're not going to take it anymore.

[Mordoch]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi


link to a poll?

In 2004 Gay Marriage Bans passed overwhelmingly, even in states and some counties that went for Kerry.

In California, people opposing a constitutional amendment banning Gay Marriage, outnumber those who support such a move by 13%.

Half the voters surveyed do not approve of same-sex marriage, while 44 percent do.

But 54 percent oppose a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage while 41 percent support such an amendment. The poll of registered voters was conducted Feb. 18 through Sunday, before President George W. Bush endorsed a constitutional ban Tuesday.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20040226-9999-1n26field.html

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
We've always had a balanced budget amendment.

Davis violated it by borrowing to "balance" his budget & he got recalled. The Govenator borrowed even more money but passed a redundant proposition saying he couldn't ever borrow again. His second year, he borrowed again.

To my knowledge the state does not have a balanced budget amendment thus our long running debt crisis. Proposition 57 we a bill Arnie championed which authorized billions in new bonds and promised to balance the budget with in a certain time frame but it is not a balanced budget amendment which is why he & the Democrats in the state house can break it with ease.

We need to actually change the constitution to remove their powers to borrow except in emergencies or war time and we need to cap the amount of time emergencies can be declared (to like 2 years in 10). I remember how we passed a proposition allocating money for roads and mass transit but it contained a loop hole which said if the legislature declares it neciissary then the funds can be used for other purposes. Guess what the bastards have said every year for the last 15 years it has been necissary to steal the roads and mass transit money. Even the boom years of the 90's with record tax revenue was supposedly an emergency financial period.

The bottom line is the politicians can't be trusted so the people need to use their right to public propositions to force the politicians to do the right thing.

[Dinner]

Murdoch, the state court's ruling yesterday said that unless the state's constitution is changed then gay marriage is protected under the states equal protection clause. You're saing the majority are against an amendment to ban gay marriage so this seems like a done deal unless the state Supreme Court over turns it.

[Zoid]

Equal rights
Bigots

[DeathByTheSword]

i already asked this in a another thread...is it true that morMons or some other religion is allowed to marriage one or more partners? i know in the good old days it was allowed...if this is still true than the whole discussion about gay marriage is void and gays should be able to marriage in the US as well

EDIT: stupid stupid stupid typo