I was listening to a professor of Linguistics at UC Berkeley the other day on the radio. He said that the conservative philosophy all breaks down to this guy Dobson's philosophy about raising children. He believes that you need to punish your children severly until they feel enough pain that they develope their on code of morality. In constrast, liberals (US) believe more in reasoning with their children. The difference is that conservatives believe that all children are bad, and need to be made good, and liberals believe that children are already good, and can be reasoned with.
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Same coinage of the guy who wrote the article, different face.Originally posted by Kidicious
I was listening to a professor of Linguistics at UC Berkeley the other day on the radio. He said that the conservative philosophy all breaks down to this guy Dobson's philosophy about raising children. He believes that you need to punish your children severly until they feel enough pain that they develope their on code of morality. In constrast, liberals (US) believe more in reasoning with their children. The difference is that conservatives believe that all children are bad, and need to be made good, and liberals believe that children are already good, and can be reasoned with.
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Well this guy (Leicoff I think) said that he developed a breakdown of conservative philosophy from a liberal perspective and he asked his conservative friends if he got it right. They said "almost, but you say nothing about Dobson."Originally posted by Harry Tuttle
Same coinage of the guy who wrote the article, different face.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
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What do you mean, "starting"?Originally posted by Harry Tuttle
You know, this whole political rhetoric thing is really starting to get stale. Bleh.
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George Lakoff is actually in a fascinating position. His schtick is the power of metaphors in politics, and interestingly enough, John Kerry got his "a stronger america" slogan directly from Lakoff. Dean, too, is looking for ways to capitalize on Lakoff's research.Originally posted by Kidicious
I was listening to a professor of Linguistics at UC Berkeley the other day on the radio. He said that the conservative philosophy all breaks down to this guy Dobson's philosophy about raising children. He believes that you need to punish your children severly until they feel enough pain that they develope their on code of morality. In constrast, liberals (US) believe more in reasoning with their children. The difference is that conservatives believe that all children are bad, and need to be made good, and liberals believe that children are already good, and can be reasoned with."Remember, there's good stuff in American culture, too. It's just that by "good stuff" we mean "attacking the French," and Germany's been doing that for ages now, so, well, where does that leave us?" - Elok
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Originally posted by Kidicious
I was listening to a professor of Linguistics at UC Berkeley the other day on the radio. He said that the conservative philosophy all breaks down to this guy Dobson's philosophy about raising children. He believes that you need to punish your children severly until they feel enough pain that they develope their on code of morality. In constrast, liberals (US) believe more in reasoning with their children. The difference is that conservatives believe that all children are bad, and need to be made good, and liberals believe that children are already good, and can be reasoned with.
Children are neither good nor bad, but amoral, as in unaware of morality. Did you not have to teach your son* right from wrong?
*Something you said earlier made me believe you had a kid. If not, my bad.
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He's right in normal day-to-day language though, imo.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God? - Epicurus
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The real point Lakoff makes is not the teaching of right and wrong to the childen, but how you do it. Essentially, Lakoff proposes two models, the strict-father model and the nurturant parent model, and then says that the right and the left, respectively, try to apply these models to politics.Originally posted by JohnT

Children are neither good nor bad, but amoral, as in unaware of morality. Did you not have to teach your son* right from wrong?
*Something you said earlier made me believe you had a kid. If not, my bad."Remember, there's good stuff in American culture, too. It's just that by "good stuff" we mean "attacking the French," and Germany's been doing that for ages now, so, well, where does that leave us?" - Elok
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I think I had to give him spankings when he was very little, because he had no ability to reason. By the age of 5 though he seems very able to reason most of the time. Of course no one really developes their morality completely until they are adults.Originally posted by JohnT

Children are neither good nor bad, but amoral, as in unaware of morality. Did you not have to teach your son* right from wrong?
*Something you said earlier made me believe you had a kid. If not, my bad.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
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I always distrust articles people post without a link so we can find out the source. Often they turn out to be wrong like this one.
Not that it will stop some people from continuing their endless bleating.
Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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