French workers fight for the right to be lazy

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Do you think it's a coincidence that people that have to work favor higher wages and a smaller work week?

DanS doesn't work? Where does that come from?

And people favor lower taxes and more services. Doesn't mean its a good idea.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


DanS doesn't work? Where does that come from?

And people favor lower taxes and more services. Doesn't mean its a good idea.

No, but when there is persistant unemployment it's logical that less working hours is THE solution. You can't just get people back to work at the same level of hours. There's been a fundamental change in the economy.

[alva]

Originally posted by Locutus
35 hrs a week

30 hrs a week

25 min a year

[Imran Siddiqui]

There has been persistant unemployment for generations. In fact in this era there is less unemployment than in the past. I just don't see this fundamental change that makes the 40 hour work week obsolete. Automation of tasks that workers used to do is as old as the printing press.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
There has been persistant unemployment for generations. In fact in this era there is less unemployment than in the past. I just don't see this fundamental change that makes the 40 hour work week obsolete. Automation of tasks that workers used to do is as old as the printing press.

World unemployment is increasing. Once there was no limit to the work week. If you look ate the implementation of the 40 hour work week, it didn't create unemployment. It did just the opposite.

[Imran Siddiqui]

World unemployment is increasing.

Uh huh.. is it? Do you have statistics to back that up. I'd figure with the increased globalization and companies moving to the third world unemployment is decreasing. And furthermore, how does that apply to the US situation? Why would world unemployment have any bearing on US work hours?

If you look ate the implementation of the 40 hour work week, it didn't create unemployment. It did just the opposite.

It's not like we have 25% unemployment. With 5-6% unemployment being our 'persistent' number how important is lowering that number?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

World unemployment is increasing.

Uh huh.. is it? Do you have statistics to back that up. I'd figure with the increased globalization and companies moving to the third world unemployment is decreasing. And furthermore, how does that apply to the US situation? Why would world unemployment have any bearing on US work hours?

China has over 10% unemployment. A lot of the jobs created there are very productive. Other populated countries have very high unemployment rates because of globalization, industrialization and very long hours worked.

I'm looking for statistics.

If you look ate the implementation of the 40 hour work week, it didn't create unemployment. It did just the opposite.

It's not like we have 25% unemployment. With 5-6% unemployment being our 'persistent' number how important is lowering that number?

Until the 90s you see a long run increase in the unemployment rate. The 90s were an anomaly, but it's the world rate that matters when you have such globalization.

[Imran Siddiqui]

China has over 10% unemployment. A lot of the jobs created there are very productive. Other populated countries have very high unemployment rates because of globalization, industrialization and very long hours worked.

Is subsistence farming counted as gainful employment? So China has the same unemployment as Germany, what's yer point? Globalization and industrialization reduce unemployment, by taking farmers who only farm to feed themselves into making some gains for the country.

Until the 90s you see a long run increase in the unemployment rate. The 90s were an anomaly, but it's the world rate that matters when you have such globalization.

No it doesn't. National unemployment matters. There are huge structural changes which make sure that US unemployment will be generally less than, say, France's. And why are the 90s and anomoly and the 00's not? At the end of the 80s we had around 6% unemployment.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

China has over 10% unemployment. A lot of the jobs created there are very productive. Other populated countries have very high unemployment rates because of globalization, industrialization and very long hours worked.

Is subsistence farming counted as gainful employment? So China has the same unemployment as Germany, what's yer point? Globalization and industrialization reduce unemployment, by taking farmers who only farm to feed themselves into making some gains for the country.

Industrialization increases unemployment. When Farming is mechanized workers are displaced and go to look for work in the city. If your working hours are too high in the city unemployment will be the result.

Until the 90s you see a long run increase in the unemployment rate. The 90s were an anomaly, but it's the world rate that matters when you have such globalization.

No it doesn't. National unemployment matters. There are huge structural changes which make sure that US unemployment will be generally less than, say, France's. And why are the 90s and anomoly and the 00's not? At the end of the 80s we had around 6% unemployment.

The unemployment rate will be lower where you generally have lower labor costs. Sure national unemployment rates matter, but the point is that if nations just have a race to the bottom there will be high unemployment AND stagnant wages.

[Dis]

Originally posted by PLATO


Yep...and glad too that I have all that extra money to pump into the economy too! I had the lowest tax liability in years last year.

republicans. Explain why the greatest economic times happen under democratic presidents. It can't be a coincidence. I have learned to face the truth, democratic presidents aren't as bad as I used to think.

[alva]

republicans. Explain why the greatest economic times happen under democratic presidents. It can't be a coincidence. I have learned to face the truth, democratic presidents aren't as bad as I used to think.

Cuz gouverning is not as difficult as it looks. Hear what big business wants then listen to what the church wants, then do the exact opposite... et voila.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


No it isn't. It's perfect evidence that one can work much more than 35 hours a week without horribly debilitating effects

You're missing a very obvious debilitating effect: He's working 50+ hours a week.

[Dis]

people who work over 40 hours a week are selfish.

[Kuciwalker]

Yay for circular reasoning.

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[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Industrialization increases unemployment.

If you're short-sided enough only to look at the most immediate effects possible. As we've mentioned, we've been industrializing for over a century and unemployment has probably gone down.

The unemployment rate will be lower where you generally have lower labor costs.

Africa. Pwned.