French workers fight for the right to be lazy

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Here's how this thread has gone down:


People that have jobs = look at the 35 hour law favorably

Kids that are still in school and have never worked = Call the French lazy

And what are you?

We all recall you as the 25- or guy

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Here's how this thread has gone down:


People that have jobs = look at the 35 hour law favorably

Kids that are still in school and have never worked = Call the French lazy

Lemme ask my dad what he thinks about this and get back to you...

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


No it isn't. It's perfect evidence that one can work much more than 35 hours a week without horribly debilitating effects

Sure it is. What you states is that if there are a high outcome, then people are ready to work for it, but if you only get an hours paid more, then the cost are too high.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Kidicious


True, but all the industrialized nations should start reducing the work week. If they don't unemployment is going to get worse everywhere.

That is the contradiction of Capitalism, increased efficency becomes greater unemplyment, so companies must use advertising to create artificial demand, hence the American obsession with conspicuous consumption. The whole ediface will all come down sooner or later, but the economists are too blinded by thier faith in Capitalism and Milton Freidman the Almighty to realize it, almost like religious fundies denying evolution.

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Oerdin and Plato are students?

And why do I think that DanS won't agree with the 35 hour workweek either?

Heh. And students these days work a lot more than most adults. At least us nerds do anyway. 12 hour schooldays

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by PLATO


The money is pretty good, but the stress sucks.

I am taking my 1st two days off (other than holidays) in over two years on Monday and Tuesday. Bet my phone rings all day. Now what are the French complaining about? I'd be damn happy with just 40 hours a week!

Aren't you glad you voted Republican, so you have the "freedom" to work all that overtime.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Oerdin and Plato are students?

And why do I think that DanS won't agree with the 35 hour workweek either?

As I remember Oerdin makes quite a bit of money not working, and I bet DanS does too.

[Imran Siddiqui]

increased efficency becomes greater unemplyment

That old canard. I think we've increased efficiency a LOT since 1800... where this great unemployment has been is a good question .

And students these days work a lot more than most adults. At least us nerds do anyway. 12 hour schooldays

Yep... its ridiculous. Hell, I work AND do school. I'm sure I 'work' over 50 hours a week (17 a week at the job, the rest in class and studying).

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Odin
That is the contradiction of Capitalism, increased efficency becomes greater unemplyment, so companies must use advertising to create artificial demand, hence the American obsession with conspicuous consumption. The whole ediface will all come down sooner or later, but the economists are too blinded by thier faith in Capitalism and Milton Freidman the Almighty to realize it, almost like religious fundies denying evolution.

What's the BS about artificial demand? It's no more "artificial" than any other demand.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Kidicious
As I remember Oerdin makes quite a bit of money not working, and I bet DanS does too.

Aroo? What in the Hell are you talking about?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
What's the BS about artificial demand? It's no more "artificial" than any other demand.

Artificial demands are those that are created by advertizing, and that diminish when advertizing stops. It's artificial because the demand has to be contatntly put into the consumer's mind, and isn't something the consumer comes up with on his own.

[Kuciwalker]

So? What's wrong with that? Most people wouldn't think "if only I had some sort of mechanical, gasoline-powered moving machine" had they not seen advertising for it (including informal advertising such as other people displaying such a wonder product ). Lots of very useful things are like that.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Or the consumer simply isn't informed of some great product. For example, with advertising people wouldn't know about the George Foreman Grill's greatness (love infomercials!). Frankly, I couldn't live without it!

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Or the consumer simply isn't informed of some great product. For example, with advertising people wouldn't know about the George Foreman Grill's greatness (love infomercials!). Frankly, I couldn't live without it!

Try sell that gadget to a french worker

[Odin]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
So? What's wrong with that? Most people wouldn't think "if only I had some sort of mechanical, gasoline-powered moving machine" had they not seen advertising for it (including informal advertising such as other people displaying such a wonder product ). Lots of very useful things are like that.

Most ads are about getting you to by something even if you don't really need it.

oh, and Ming in 5... 4... 3...