9/11 victims deserved their fate

[Commy]

Is this another anti-american campaign? Hey, last time I checked, it wasn't bush raping little kids, so let's make fun of the pope, okay...

[DinoDoc]

I guess it really is true that there is no idea so stupid that you won't be able to find someone on the internet to defend it.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Cruddy
I'm not saying DU ammunition is a totallysafe weapon of war but;

1) It's only toxic when powderized, and then it tends to hang around the target (high density = short distance travalled). Yes, battlefields should be (and these days, are) sanitized as soon as possible to stop the locals climbing around old hulks and getting contaminated.

2) Everybody uses it, not just the US. Why not go haranuge some Russians about Chechnya?

I've pwnd our little Finnish boy on DU before but he doesn't he likes to still go through the teary eyed routine.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Boris does some pwnage.

I think Che has a better understanding of the average American Joe. Boris is a bit naive, although definitely there were inocent people killed that day. Christ, there were children in the building!

[Dinner]

Originally posted by laurentius
Educate yourself about this, then come back. The leukemia cases alone are 8 times as high now in Baghdad than before 2003.

First provide some proof to your claim then demonstrate how that isn't just existing cases being better identified since so much money has been dumped into health care by the evil western Imperialists. Just about every hospital in the country has been completely refurbished and equiped with modern equipement which Iraqis just couldn't get in 2003. The ability to diagnose and treat illness has been greatly improved, ergo, they've identified cases that previously slipped through the cracks.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Kidicious
I think Che has a better understanding of the average American Joe. Boris is a bit naive, although definitely there were inocent people killed that day. Christ, there were children in the building!

Funny, I seem to remember being in NYC that day and watching it all from my office window. As well as knowing many, many people personally who were in the WTC, and a few who died. So I don't need people telling me what those people were like or that I'm naive.

Too bad comrade UberKrux isn't here to see his late father maligned as little Eichmann. I'm sure he'd enjoy that.

[Kidlicious]

I don't need anyone to tell me how honorable and good Americans are either. As I've already stated, many who died that day were surely good people. Probably most of them were careless, self-centered people who think that America is always right, no matter what, and don't care what anyone has to say about it.

[Wycoff]

Anytime anyone wants to malign anything, they simply call them Nazis. Its getting a little boring. Why is everyone so intellectually lazy when it comes to insulting people? Little Eichmans? Get real.

[Berzerker]

Dino

I'd be more likely to label you as an authoritarian wacko for your belief in how just collective punishment and support for it's use.

I've got 2 words for you, "drug war". Its based on collective guilt and puinishment too...

[Berzerker]

However, I don't think saying the victims deserved it is a sane argument. They were most of all innocent to the pushing in the first place. Yes they pay taxes but I buy Coca Cola so I would have deserved it the same then.

Well at least you don't buy drugs or you'd be supporting terrorism.

Here we have a war crimes against humanity and a just retaliation.

Then what we have here is a just invasion of Iraq to remove Saddam in retaliation for his past crimes, true?
Even the "innocent" Iraqis who died as a result of this invasion (or because of sanctions) weren't really innocent because their leader(s) committed crimes against humanity.

[Berzerker]

As for what he wrote, it has some merit. Most of the people in the WTC were not completely innocent, but rather engaged in global trade, which is what drives the U.S. to do things like bomb and starve Iraq (and while Winston might object that it was the U.N. that imposed the sanctions, by the late 90s, it was the certainty of a U.S. veto that kept them from being dismantled), overthrow Central American democracies, prop up various dictators around the world, etc.

So you'd agree that drug users fund terrorists because they too are a link in a chain of events leading to someone's murder? At what point do people within any democratic system become "innocent". These people who died on 9/11 didn't all vote for the Republicrats or their foreign policies, so how do they become cleansed of sin?

It is in the interests of the traders in the WTC that the World Bank, the WTO, the IMF, impose heavy economic burdens on the people of the 3rd world, burdens which kill millions annually.

You polled these people before they died? And just how many traders are we talking about? The terrorists didn't hit the WTO, IMF, or World Bank.

They may not be the one's pulling the trigger, but they are th ones for whom the trigger is pulled and they are the ones who manipulate the market so that the weak perish.

So capitalist countries loan money to the 3rd world and that's bad, and its also bad when capitalist countries don't loan money.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Kidicious


I think Che has a better understanding of the average American Joe. Boris is a bit naive, although definitely there were inocent people killed that day. Christ, there were children in the building!

I'm quite fond of certain of the principles of Anglo-Saxon Common Law, which as I'm sure you'd agree, the United States government has certainly been complicit in circumventing, certainly with regard to say the internees at Guantanamo:

the presumption of innocence, innocent until proven guilty, habeas corpus, et cetera.

I don't recall either the passengers on the airliners nor the people (working class, middle class, upper class- the dead are all one class) in the Trade Centre buildings nor in the Pentagon being given the benefits that I'd extend to the detainees in 'occupied' Cuba.

Two wrongs don't make the world right, they just add to the sum of the world's woes.

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Kidicious
I don't need anyone to tell me how honorable and good Americans are either. As I've already stated, many who died that day were surely good people. Probably most of them were careless, self-centered people who think that America is always right, no matter what, and don't care what anyone has to say about it.

Of course, if they were indvidually good or bad people doesn't say anything about the justification of those terror attacks. Unless you want to imply killing bad people is always right (which I hope you do not imply).

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


Why dont you actually learn something about what happened in '48, instead of making illogical remarks?

What illogical remarks? Remark, maybe. Singular not plural.

The UN found no evidence of genocide in Darfur. You do. They've got a helluva lot more info than you have.Live with it.

You find no evidence of genocide in Palestine. There's a helluva lot of Arabs that disagree with you. Again, they've got a helluva lot info than you. Live with it.

C'mon now, reach behind, down... yeah, that's your butt.

Or is my humour too subtle for you?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Kidicious


I think Che has a better understanding of the average American Joe. Boris is a bit naive, although definitely there were inocent people killed that day. Christ, there were children in the building!

Actually my point was moreso his pwnage of Laurentius. I simply x-posted with his pwnage 'gainst Che.