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  • Originally posted by Combat Ingrid

    To me it seemed to mostly deal with poop and related stuff
    Pasolini being interviewed about his film:

    Pasolini on Salò

    Its [the new consumer society’s] permissiveness is false. It is the mask of the worst repression ever exercised by Power on the masses of citizens. In fact (it is a remark of one of my protagonists of my next film, which is taken from de Sade and set in the Republic of Salò):

    "In a society where all is forbidden, one can do everything; in a society where only some things are permitted, one can do only those things."
    One can say that repressive societies … were in need of soldiers and, in addition, of saints and artists, while the permissive society needs only consumers …
    The brood hens, the Italians have accepted the new unnamed sacredness of merchandise and its consumption … The new Italians do not know what to do with sacredness; they are all, pragmatically, if not consciously, very modern. And as far as sentiment is concerned, they tend to free themselves of it rapidly.

    Schwartz, Pasolini Requiem p.632 (originally from B. Allen Pier Paolo Pasolini "Heart" 122-126)

    "Sade said, in a phrase not so famous as others, that nothing is as profoundly anarchic as power … so far as I know, there has never been in Europe a power as anarchic as that of the Republic of Salò."

    Schwartz, p.644


    "They are taken by chance, they are more than innocent. They think at first that it is all a game and only realize what is happening when it is too late … but I don’t want them to be politically superior or inferior [to their captors]. In fact, I believe them to be superior, but insofar as they are the victims in this film. I could not make them too tender, so good as too tear at the heart.
    If I made them likable victims who cried and tore at he heart then everyone would leave the movie house after five minutes. Besides, I don’t do that because I don’t believe it.

    Comments made at press conference during filming (from De Giusti, Pier Paolo Pasolini; as quoted in Schwartz, p.655)

    "I must confess that even here I do not arrive at the heart of violence … the real violence is that of television … For me, the maximum of violence is a television announcer. In my films, violence is a mechanism, never a real fact." Schwartz, p.659

    Q: Do you think it was a period of great decadence? P: It was the decadence of the Hitlerian period, but not certainly of great Western capitalism.




    What happened in the historical Republic of Salo:

    Correspondence between officials from Mussolini's puppet Republic of Salo and the police suggests a pact under which the fascists would transfer Jews to the Germans and death in the camps, Mr Sarfatti says.

    The Republic of Salo routinely arrested Jews and sent them to Fossoli, a camp near Modena, where the SS took control and deported them to Germany, he writes.

    Since Mussolini had been aware for some time of the fate that awaited the Jews, Mr Sarfatti concludes that Il Duce progressed from withdrawing their civil rights to permitting their physical destruction.

    Mussolini "took part voluntarily and knowingly in the Shoah", he claims.

    A rival historian, Giovanni Sabbatucci, blames "a general complicity by the Fascists of Salo in the deportation and extermination of the Jews".



    What happened to Pasolini in the war:

    "For him, making the film, and setting it in Salo, struck deep personal chords, since his brother had been killed there during the war, and he himself had been captured by the Nazis nearby. Those "terrible days" inform the production design, from the villa, designed to look like the home of a "cultured Jew", to the haut bourgeois clothing, to the Art Deco and Bauhaus decorations, expressive of the era of functionalism and industrialism, to the De Chirico empty courtyards and streets. "




    'Braveheart', whilst not featuring any poop, was a great stinking pile of merde, not even having the anachronistic virtues of Shakespeare's histories and tragedies.

    The characters of Edward I and II were caricatures, and the portrayals of Edward II and Gaveston were ludicrous even by Gibson's shoddy standards. He plays fast and loose with chronology, geography, and most absurdly of all, with the parentage of Edward III.

    Luckily I saw the film for free, because I would otherwise have attempted to claim damages for having had to sit through what felt like a tide of raw sewage.
    Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

    ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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    • Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
      The Hanks character continuously makes poor command decisions which ultimately lead to his death and the death of most of his patrol.
      Isn't that quite realistic? In a million-man army, you could expect to find some crappy officers.
      So get your Naomi Klein books and move it or I'll seriously bash your faces in! - Supercitizen to stupid students
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      • I'd also recommend:

        'The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp' :

        "Powell's and Pressburger's fifth film, a masterwork, was made despite prime minister Winston Churchill's wishes. His opposition did the film one favour, since his refusal to release Laurence Olivier from service meant that Livesey took the role of Clive Candy, the character based on Low's Evening Standard cartoon, and made it entirely his own. He is matched by Walbrook as his best friend, the German Theo, and the young Deborah Kerr playing three key roles - governess, army driver and wife. Fears that a heroic character rooted in the values of Edwardian England would be unpatriotic were unfounded, and the film works as a wayward, heart-warming celebration of principle and a portrait of a survivor from an earlier age. Happily the film was restored by the BFI in the late 1970s, and the glorious Technicolor and rich texture of the designs can now be fully appreciated. "




        Akira Kurosawa's 'Ran' :

        " The film gains it weight and it’s ponderous style from Shakespeare’s King Lear, being fairly faithful to the play in its themes and tone, but also from traditional Japanese Noh theatre in its stylised designs and mannered performances. Kurosawa had tackled Shakespeare before in this way in his remarkable adaptation of 'MacBeth', 'Throne of Blood' (1957), a comparatively much more modest and smaller scale drama. 'Ran' has much grander ambitions but the sheer spectacle of some of the most stunningly visualised battle scenes ever filmed never seem to dwarf the human elements, they only serve to heighten the level of greed, power and folly that man can reach. The individual performances of the actors also live up to this intense drama. While to western eyes they can appear stiff and formal, each of the characters is perfectly captured in minute detail in gestures and in the clipped delivery of short commands and pronouncements carrying subtle hints of lust, greed and power that deliver devastating consequences. Just examine how few outward gestures and words are made by Taro’s wife, Kaede, yet how powerful her presence, how threatening her demeanour and how menacing those words. "




        And Ian McKellen's 'Richard III' :

        " Energetic and fast paced (perhaps too fast paced) adaptation of Shakespeare's play updated to a twentieth century setting. Following a bloody civil war, the York family become the Royals of England. Richard (Ian McKellen), a physically deformed and mentally dark member of the family sets his sights on the throne. The fact that he must kill his two brothers, some nephews and several miscellaneous courtiers to get it is of little worry to him. On the contrary, he treats it like a game with the audience, with whom he conspires through a series of asides to explain his plotting.

        Retaining the Shakespearian dialogue but compressing some characters and action, Richard Loncraine's film version of the celebrated stage show by Richard Eyre and McKellen succeeds in its conceit of setting the action in a 1930s world in which Richard becomes a fascist dictator modelled after Hitler and Mussolini (complete with black uniforms and distinctive insignia). Like Richard himself, this somewhat playful, somewhat serious approach is morbidly fascinating. McKellen is effective, backed by a large and substantial cast including Nigel Hawthorn, Adrian Dunbar, Kristin Scott Thomas, Maggie Smith and Robert Downey Jnr.

        The inclusion of scenes of graphic violence, sex and even drugs may confuse those for whom Shakespeare represents a safe and anaemic form of culture, but should not surprise anyone who has ever studied the work. Richard is among Shakespeare's most fascinating characters, an example of a gleeful anti-hero many years before this became commonplace, and though the ending of the film somewhat distorts the ending of the play, it captures an essential vicious black humour exhibited in the dialogue throughout. "




        I'd also recommend 'The Official Version' which is an Argentinian film focusing on the aftermath of one aspect of the country's 'Dirty War' against political dissidents. It centres upon what happened to underage children of the disappeared- 'adopted' by families of Junta supporters.
        Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

        ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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        • No one's mentioned Windtalkers. Sure it was kinda schlocky, but it had its moments.
          We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
          If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
          Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.

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          • Originally posted by molly bloom
            Luckily I saw the film for free, because I would otherwise have attempted to claim damages for having had to sit through what felt like a tide of raw sewage.
            Exactly, several times during the film I was tempted to fast-forward because it was just getting boring. There's just so much poop one can take...
            The enemy cannot push a button if you disable his hand.

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            • Originally posted by Urban Ranger


              Many Chinese war movies are like that. There are huge mobs of soldiers on both sides. It's awe-inspiring.
              That reminds me of Taeguki, great SKorea Koean War movie that came out last year. You get the heros nearing the Yalu and then you have a wonderful "oh ****" moment with thousands and thousands and thousands of screaming Chinese running at them.
              Stop Quoting Ben

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              • Originally posted by Combat Ingrid


                Exactly, several times during the film I was tempted to fast-forward because it was just getting boring. There's just so much poop one can take...
                Snobs!!!
                Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
                Then why call him God? - Epicurus

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                • Originally posted by OzzyKP



                  Originally posted by Alva

                  Snobs!!!
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                  • What happened to the : tongue : smiley btw? Another x-mas hat left-over?
                    Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
                    Then why call him God? - Epicurus

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                    • Looks fine here. Clear your cache?
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                      • No it doesn't, cause that a few posts above should be the more agressive red ": tongue :" smiley be instead of ": p" ( without the spaces of course. )
                        Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
                        Then why call him God? - Epicurus

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                        • Hows about the biography of the texan killing machine Audie Murphy To Hell and Back? I always wondered how he felt about the movie given its squeaky-clean portrayal of combat and battles in which Murphy killed many, many, men.
                          We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
                          If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
                          Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.

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                          • Originally posted by alva
                            No it doesn't, cause that a few posts above should be the more agressive red ": tongue :" smiley be instead of ": p" ( without the spaces of course. )
                            Oh yeah, I didnt notice it died.

                            Must be your fault then somehow.
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                            • Originally posted by Verres


                              "A crowning achievement of 1980's Soviet cinema, Elem Klimov's Come and See is perhaps the ultimate WWII film. This savage and lyrical fever dream of death, rage and terror experienced through young eyes is a virtual primer for the subsequent, similarly psychedelic intensity of Terrence Malick's "The thin Red Line" and Spielberg's "Saving Private Ryan," Klimov's elegant, harrowing union of unflinching ferocity and dreamlike clarity moved "Empire of the Sun" author J.G. Ballard to declare Come And See the greatest war film ever made. Time Out New York agreed, saying "Come And See's nimble balance of the sordid with the elegiac makes Peckinpah's 'Cross of Iron' seem like 'Newsies.'
                              When young Florya willingly joins a group of Partisans fighting the Nazis in Byelorussia, USSR, he little suspects that he is plunging through the looking glass. Separated from his comrades during a paratroop attack and struck deaf by German artillery, Florya - in the company of Glascha, a beguiling peasant girl - wanders a battle-scorched Russian purgatory of prehistoric forests and man-made slaughter. Florya's journey takes him and us through a gallery of exquisitely poetic imagery and brutal human atrocity. Unlike traditional war films, Come And See never stoops to convenient heroic catharsis or genre movie narrative symmetry. Images of a beautiful girl's impromptu dance in the rain and an SS unit's spontaneous, self-congratulatory applause at their own butchery haunt with equal power. More than any other war film, Come And See unites the powerful truths and inescapable dilemmas that lurk behind both the raptures of youth and the horrors of war."

                              Does sound worth a look
                              I have seen this film. It is more than powerful. It is searing.
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                              • Favorite war films:

                                Saving Private Ryan
                                Zulu
                                Bridge on the River Kwai
                                All Quiet on the Western Front

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                                Platoon
                                A Bridge Too Far
                                Braveheart
                                Blackhawk Down

                                Also, how would one classify Gladiator?
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