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  • #31
    I'm not saying she deserved this.

    but you just don't go up to some strange guy's apartment. WTF was she thinking?

    again they are responsible for this, not her. They should get jail time. But a little common sense goes a long way.

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    • #32
      Could someone please give me a link to Swedish media about the story. Doesn't matter if it's in Swedish.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Wernazuma III
        Could someone please give me a link to Swedish media about the story. Doesn't matter if it's in Swedish.


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        • #34
          Originally posted by Dissident
          I'm not saying she deserved this.

          but you just don't go up to some strange guy's apartment. WTF was she thinking?
          I wondered that too.

          But you're apparently not allowed to think that she was a royal idiot and that the men should get convicted for rape and spend a few years in prison.
          Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

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          • #35
            13 year olds don't think
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            • #36
              which is why they shuoldn't be able to give consent

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Gangerolf
                13 year olds don't think
                I don't see how that's incompatible with being a royal idiot.
                Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

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                • #38
                  From reading this thread I can state the Swedish justice system is one of the most screwed up in the world.. They treat rape victims like the suspects. Damn socialism..

                  People convicted of rape should get at least 20 years behind bars.
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                  • #39
                    I'm surprised that newspapers mention the ethnic background of the suspects. I thought Swedish newspapers (unlike Danish ones) generally did not publish this information.

                    It was a relief to learn through the Aftenposten article that Swedes have been donating money to cover expenses of the Högsta Domstol appeal, and a lawyer has volunteered to handle the case for free.

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                    • #40
                      According to CO's fourth link, the Diet is expected to pass a new sexual crimes law on the 1st of April, which will reclassify certain cases of sexual abuse as rape; it says that the appeals court had probably upheld the original sentences had it already been in force.

                      They also say it's unlikely this case goes to the Supreme Court, since with the impending law-change a changed verdict would have no value as a precedent.
                      Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                      It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
                      The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Monk
                        I'm surprised that newspapers mention the ethnic background of the suspects. I thought Swedish newspapers (unlike Danish ones) generally did not publish this information.
                        That changed sometime during the '90s.

                        Too bad, really. It was funny when you heard nothing about a suspect's immigrant background before the judgement was made public, and included expulsion.
                        It was a relief to learn through the Aftenposten article that Swedes have been donating money to cover expenses of the Högsta Domstol appeal, and a lawyer has volunteered to handle the case for free.
                        A juridical expert interviewed by the Svenska Dagbladet says it's "most unlikely" that HD will consider the case.
                        Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                        It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
                        The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Last Conformist
                          A juridical expert interviewed by the Svenska Dagbladet says it's "most unlikely" that HD will consider the case.
                          I would have hoped media focus would put some pressure on whoever is in charge of making the decision.

                          Then again, I'm hardly a juridical expert myself.

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                          • #43
                            Sometimes I wonder what judges say when they make these utterly bizarre ruling. "Well, you have clearly shown that the 13 year-old you and your friends gang-banged against her will was drunk, so that's okay then".

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                            • #44
                              Molly, I don´t think there´s a age limit on consuming alcohol. You have to be 18 to legally buy alcohol, but I don´t think it´s illegal to actually drink it if under 18... Neither is it illegal to get someone drunk so you can have sex with them against their will. It is however against the law to have sex with anyone under the age of 15 (with or without the alcohol bit) which, I think, is why the 30 year old didn´t get his sentence of 5 years in prison reduced.

                              Combat Ingrid, you just assume the perps were from an islamic country? Sound just a wee bit islamophobic IMO.

                              Flubber, there´s a difference between the Stat rape and what I call sexual abuse (the actual translation is something like "to sexually take advantage of someone") see my answer to Molly

                              Vernazuma III, http://www.gp.se/gp/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=119&a=198933 http://www.gp.se/gp/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=122&a=196162 is a editorial about the incident
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Kamrat X
                                Combat Ingrid, you just assume the perps were from an islamic country? Sound just a wee bit islamophobic IMO.
                                Well, the Aftenposten newspaper article I read said those people came from the Mid-East...

                                I reckon they could technically be Israelis, but all things considered, it does seem unlikely.

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