4 men rapes 13-year old and get away with it

[Combat Ingrid]

Originally posted by St Leo
Change the law.

Originally posted by Combat Ingrid does islam demand

Islam? Linky linky?

Sorry, no links. It's just that the "typical" gang rapist is an immigrant from a muslim country. Dunno if religion really is a factor here, just trying to understand what the hell is wrong with these guys

[Flubber]

It sounds screwed up.

To dump the rape charge would mean they would have to find consent--- I'm assuming here that the Swedish "sex abuse" charge is something akin to what we would call statutory rape (but with low penalties?).

What is the stat rape age in Sweden anyway? In Canada its 14 IIRC and I think the US varies state by state from 12 to maybe 18.

The decision does sound messed up and perhaps it is but lots of times there are facts that aren't part of the sensational story. I do have a tough time imagining what those could be though--- had she expressed consent explicitly before she had her first drink? While I don't believe any 13 year old should be able to legally consent, if the stat rape age in Sweden is 13 or less, there would be no sexual crime in that instance.

It would be ironic if it would be illegal to give her booze but not to boink her if she requested both. To me, the law SHOULD be such that it would be a no-brainer that the older guys would be guilty of rape with stiff penalties regardless of her consent. The 16 year old . . it would depend on the circumstances, since stat rape often doesn't apply to people close in age.

Bottom line is that either the court messed up in their decision OR Swedish law around this type of activity is inadequate

[Buck Birdseed]

Originally posted by Last Conformist

ASAP.

Wasn't there yet another commission investigating this recently? Did they get anywhere?

Every time there's a controversial rape case in sweden where this happens there's a lot of huffing and puffing and absolutely nothing happens. This is far from the only case - court cases with incapacitated girls or girls "not protesting enough" have happened before, and been brought up in the media before... The promised law never appears to materialise.

It's kinda like Utlänningsnämnden. When did the Riksdag vote for that one to be replaced by a proper court system again?

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Adagio

IIRC there were a case here some years ago where 4 12 year olds kids raped some 20 old because they knew they could get away with it (because of their age)

hmm in canada the Young offenders ACT meant that no one under the age of 12 )IIRC) could be charged with a criminal offense. Drug dealers used to use these children since there was nothing the authorities could do. But I think there was anamendment to lower the age since children could literally get away with murder

[Last Conformist]

Sweden's age of consent is 15. But I don't believe the victim's age made a difference in this case.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Buck Birdseed
Every time there's a controversial rape case in sweden where this happens there's a lot of huffing and puffing and absolutely nothing happens. This is far from the only case - court cases with incapacitated girls or girls "not protesting enough" have happened before, and been brought up in the media before... The promised law never appears to materialise.

I know. But one'd think that sooner or later one proposal would get thru by quantum tunneling or something.

Of course, the one to do it would be the one to label all sex involving women as "rape" unless she gave explicit verbal consent, with the burden of proof on the other party.

[Buck Birdseed]

Apparently they were freed because she was so drunk she doesn't remember anything.

Great legal system we have, eh?

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
This is pretty messed up. Burglary doesn't get any more legal because the victim was an idiot who left his door unlocked and his valuables visible

To insurance companies it is. If you don't lock your stuff, you get nothing from them.

[Chemical Ollie]

Change the law

I don't think the law is wrong, just how the courts use it.

[Adagio]

To insurance companies it is. If you don't lock your stuff, you get nothing from them.

That is understandable, but from the law perspective a thief who just go through an open door to steal something is just as much a thief as one who breaks through the window on 2nd floor to get in

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Chemical Ollie
To insurance companies it is. If you don't lock your stuff, you get nothing from them.

What Adagio said.

I don't have problem with you getting screwed because you're an idiot. I do have a problem with criminals not getting screwed because you are an idiot.

Originally posted by Chemical Ollie
I don't think the law is wrong, just how the courts use it.

You might know the law better than me, but my understanding is that the appeals court was, from the legal POV, quite right.

[RGBVideo]

The immediate future of Sweden certainly seems to be interesting...

Sorry, no links. It's just that the "typical" gang rapist is an immigrant from a muslim country. Dunno if religion really is a factor here, just trying to understand what the hell is wrong with these guys

Muslims rape young white girls + police & judges too PC to do anything about it = neo-nazi paramilitaries enforcing street justice

[Last Conformist]

It's not like white men don't walk away free from raping white girls because the later were drunk ...

[the_ceebs]

90% of rapes don't get to court and of the ones that do there is a very low conviction rate.

This isn't surprising.

[Chemical Ollie]

I think the prosecutor has not been innovative enough in finding multiple charges to push. Apart from the rape accusation, which is harder to prove, some obvious crimes have been commited:

- Alcohol peddling to minors
- Sex with minors (if she wanted it or not doesn't matter)
- The two above combined should make it easy to prove at least sexual abuse