Atocha

[Chilean Presidentâ„¢]

Pero seguro son los menos, no creo que pase a mayores. Aca constantemente los periodistas se muestran sorprendidos por que la mayoria de la gente pide cadena perpetua y no muerte en las manifestaciones en España.

[WRW]

Originally posted by jasev
La Reuters se ha hecho eco de la información del CNI de la cadena SER:

EDIT: enlace corregido

En La Vanguardia también lo publican.


EDIT: Por cierto, la web de Reuters está saturada.

Hasta hace una hora entré sin problemas varias veces. ¿habrá tenido que ver la noticia?

[tammander]

Perdonad por ser muy extenso y por estar en inglés (es facil de leer) pero fijaos lo que piensa "la perfida alvión" de los españoles, en concreto de los madrileños.

Listen to the silent crowds

Madeleine Bunting
Saturday March 13, 2004
The Guardian

It was not enough for the office workers of Madrid to observe a moment of silence, they had to be seen doing so: they stood in the rain on the street. The stoical, wordless dignity of the Spanish people's solidarity has been profoundly moving and inspiring. Just as terrorism uses modern media - what Jean Baudrillard called the "spectacle of the deed" - to publicise itself through the horrific images of blood, death and twisted metal, so the Spanish people instantaneously found a way to counter that violent visual communication with images of spontaneous, mass public demonstrations of solidarity.
New York discovered something of this public spirit, too, after 9/11, but it took longer; the shock was greater to a city that had no experience of terrorism (unlike, sadly, Spain). There were no instant mass demonstrations; the flowers and candles - now a convention of grief all over the globe - were attached to letters and photographs, and the mourning was personalised. Every country mourns in its own way.

In Spain, the outpouring of sympathy didn't wait for names: it was for somebody's son, somebody's daughter, somebody's wife or mother, husband or father. The very anonymity underlined the simplicity of this kind of human solidarity; it was enough that lives were lost. Whose lives they were will come later. It seemed so quintessentially Spanish; the country of the paseo, the promenade, has an instinctively social culture, and its faith in public solidarity has proved vibrant at the very point of most threat. Fear of more attacks could have forced the Spanish off the streets, could have scared them into their homes. Instead, with a remarkable defiance of the terrorists who deliberately targeted the crowded commuter trains, the crowds refused to be cowed.

Cities have become our battlegrounds; where once they were places of safety to which countryfolk retreated in times of war, they are now where the war is conducted. After 3/11 every citizen of a western European city, of Paris, Rome, Berlin or London, nervously enters the packed tube, the busy commuter train or the high-rise office block. Fear could empty the city and cauterise the mass transit systems that are its lifeblood. One is haunted by an image of shut-down tube stations, of empty streets where weeds break up the Tarmac and everyone retreats home to their laptops, and we look back on the conviviality of the era before mass terrorism with nostalgic disbelief.

What's at stake is a long history of the city, that exchange point for trade and ideas that has been the crux of all civilisations. The city orders how large numbers of human beings live in close proximity. In so doing, it civilises and turns strangers into citizens who belong to a civil society in which they treat each other with (more or less) civility. All these words have the same Latin root, civitas .

What the demonstrations in Spain remind us is that civility - the measure of goodwill from one stranger to another - is ultimately what makes a city's spirit. It is the accumulation of tiny, daily interactions with bus conductors, fellow commuters, newspaper sellers and coffee-shop waitresses - the humour, the greetings, the gestures of help that smooth the rough edges of urban living.

As mayor of New York, Rudolph Giuliani articulated this civility brilliantly after 9/11, but it is often where politicians are lamentably lacking with their instinct to reassure by displaying resolve and the will to control. The role thrust on the head of government is to pursue justice, and all too often that tips into a wrathful vengeance. That was how George Bush interpreted the mood of his people after 9/11, and the first signs are that José Maria Aznar, the Spanish prime minister, is using a similar idiom. It seems space is rarely allowed in the political process for the kinds of responses of ordinary people such as the Spanish woman who said she felt no hate, only sadness; or another who felt she had nothing to say, she had to think over what had happened. The task of reflection and reconciliation once fell to religious leaders, but the decline of faith leaves a vacuum rarely filled by politicians.

Instead, in the past two days the vacuum has been filled by the people; the politicians would do well to listen, and articulate their civility rather than rush to use the shabby and meaningless metaphor of a "war on terror". You cannot fight fire with fire, was the implicit message of the silent crowds. Spain's mourning will have global resonance - as did 9/11. Over half the world's population now live in cities, and the images we have seen in the past few days offer two alternatives of what the city might mean in the 21st century: a place of terror where the stranger is to be feared and distrusted, or the determined solidarity of strangers - a sea of hands waving hastily scribbled messages with the one word that says everything: "No". Thank you, Spain, for giving us a choice.

[Chilean Presidentâ„¢]

Desde ayer www.adforum.com sitio dedicado a la publicidad y que diariamente permite la descarga gratis de 4 anuncios internacionales, ha levantado sus Ad's of the Day e incluyó las piezas Terrorismo, Basta! con el lema "Hoy, somos todos Españoles".

[Johann Moritz]

Originally posted by Jay Bee
BTW, los idiotas de El pais han vuelto a cerrar su diario. Panda gilipollas, ahora me obligan a volver al inmundo y al abc

Eh, cuidado, que algunos tenemos padres que trabajan allÃ...

Por cierto, respecto a desinformación de medios... lo que sé es que, mientras que El PaÃs se limita a exponer los hechos, el ABC, por ejemplo, no sólo no habla de lo del CNI, sino que pone en portada en su edición digital una noticia tan "importante" como que habÃa 8 miembros de la comunidad islámica entre los fallecidos... y hasta hace nada seguÃan con Acebes hablando de ETA...

[tammander]

La que se está armando en la sede del PP en Madrid!! Se han juntado 4 o 5 mil personas, estan los antidistrubios!!

[jm_ruiz]

Extracto de un teletipo de Reuters

SPAIN-EXPLOSIONS (UPDATE 3, PICTURE, GRAPHIC) UPDATE 3-Spain's spies blame Muslims for bombs - radio

(Recasts, updates throughout, previous ALCALA DE HENARES)

By Daniel Trotta

MADRID, Spain, March 13 (Reuters) - Spain's intelligence service is "99 percent certain" Muslim not Basque militants perpetrated the Madrid train bombings that killed 200 people, a Spanish radio station reported on Saturday.

The report by private radio SER, whose owners have links to the opposition Socialists, flew in the face of government assertions armed group ETA was the prime suspect in the attacks that have traumatised Spain and sent jitters round the world.

It fuelled grumbling from critics that Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar's government might be focusing on the Basque group, rather than al Qaeda, for internal political gain ahead of Sunday's election. Ministers angrily denied the charge.

"If (they think) it is al Qaeda, nobody has told me," Interior Minister Angel Acebes said, when asked if intelligence services were tending towards blaming Islamic militants for the blasts.

Finding the culprits for Thursday's atrocity, which killed 200 people and wounded 1,500, has huge global security implications. If it was al Qaeda, it would be the first strike in the West since the September 11, 2001, attacks on America.

If it were ETA, it would be a major escalation for a group that has killed 850 people in Spain over 36 years and is listed as a terrorist group by the United States and European Union.

It could also sway Spain's general election, going ahead on Sunday as planned after three days of official mourning.

Aznar's centre-right government stands to win votes if the culprits were ETA, because it has campaigned on its hardline stance against the armed Basque group, political analysts said.

[tammander]

La gente habia quedado a traves de foros en internet y con mensajes SMS. Ya van por 5000 y sigue subiendo

[WRW]

Y digo yo...


Extracto de un teletipo de Reuters
quote:

SPAIN-EXPLOSIONS (UPDATE 3, PICTURE, GRAPHIC) UPDATE 3-Spain's spies blame Muslims for bombs - radio

(Recasts, updates throughout, previous ALCALA DE HENARES)

By Daniel Trotta

MADRID, Spain, March 13 (Reuters) - Spain's intelligence service is "99 percent certain" Muslim not Basque militants perpetrated the Madrid train bombings that killed 200 people, a Spanish radio station reported on Saturday.

The report by private radio SER, whose owners have links to the opposition Socialists, flew in the face of government assertions armed group ETA was the prime suspect in the attacks that have traumatised Spain and sent jitters round the world.

It fuelled grumbling from critics that Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar's government might be focusing on the Basque group, rather than al Qaeda, for internal political gain ahead of Sunday's election. Ministers angrily denied the charge.

"If (they think) it is al Qaeda, nobody has told me," Interior Minister Angel Acebes said, when asked if intelligence services were tending towards blaming Islamic militants for the blasts.

Finding the culprits for Thursday's atrocity, which killed 200 people and wounded 1,500, has huge global security implications. If it was al Qaeda, it would be the first strike in the West since the September 11, 2001, attacks on America.

If it were ETA, it would be a major escalation for a group that has killed 850 people in Spain over 36 years and is listed as a terrorist group by the United States and European Union.

It could also sway Spain's general election, going ahead on Sunday as planned after three days of official mourning.

Aznar's centre-right government stands to win votes if the culprits were ETA, because it has campaigned on its hardline stance against the armed Basque group, political analysts said.
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Eso sà que da asco...


A ver si en TVE mencionan algo de esa concentración sin decir que son jovenes desalmados anticonstitucionales...


Estoy a un paso de ir para allá...

[jasev]

Es curioso, ese informe me recuerda enormemente a uno cuyo enlace he puesto hace un ratito...

[jasev]

Yo creo que las elecciones se deberÃan haber aplazado, al menos una semana, hasta que the dust settles como dicen los yanquis.

[tammander]

veo que vamos abriendo los ojos

[Niessuh]

puede que haya un vuelco en las elecciones solo por el aumento de participación. La gente que no vota son de izquierdas, desencantadas. Puede que la cara larga de los del PP no sea solo por los atentados

[tammander]

Acebes en rueda de prensa a las 8pm player SER

[jm_ruiz]

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