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  • New Scenario: "Atomic Eagle"

    Hey Everyone,

    This thread is to be the work in progress thread for a scenario I am creating called "Atomic Eagle". In short, it's an alternate reality scenario where the Nazis basically won the war in Europe.

    For a complete background story, please read this thread:

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showth...threadid=52425

    I may remind you, this scenario is in an alternate reality, and the characters and events chosen for the scenario were based on popularity, ease of creation in Civ2 MGE, and for the plain fun of it.

    Think Wolfenstein, the Rocketeer, the Philadelphia Project, and Captain America, and you may have some idea of what this scenario will be like.

    The Nations will be: The United States, Great Britain, Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, the Western Allies, the German Allies, and the Neutrals.

    There will be an event file, not unlike the one in "SubWar", with missions.

    Prime candidates for play will be the U.S., Great Britain, and Nazi Germany.

    Secret weapons and claudestine projects carried out throughout the real WW2 will be included in the scenario.

    I welcome the help of anyone who wants to contribute. History buffs are welcome to add some historical accuracy to the units, events, and plot of the scenario.

    And yes, you will see my units in the scenario.

    Keep checking here for details.
    Last edited by Harry Tuttle; June 10, 2003, 02:05.

  • #2
    Sounds good, harry!

    Captain America 1950's tomfoolery is always a winner!

    I like a good WW2 yarn.
    If you need unit help, count me in!

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    • #3
      Is the German economy in a state of total collapse in turn 1? The Nazis truely sucked at economic management...
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Case
        The Nazis truely sucked at economic management...


        I am pretty sure it was the other way around. Unemployment fell from 4.000.000 in 1933+ to 3000 in 1939.Let alone those huge construction programs(autobans etc). They even organized Olimpic games something a collapsed economy could certainly not afford.

        That is why all the germans loved them(untill the end of the war that is).
        "Military training has three purposes: 1)To save ourselves from becoming subjects to others, 2)to win for our own city a possition of leadership, exercised for the benefit of others and 3)to exercise the rule of a master over those who deserve to be treated as slaves."-Aristotle, The Politics, Book VII

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        • #5
          Yeah, they were great at mobilizing an economy, and forcing it to keep going under necessities of war, but a cold war would still have led to a Nazi collapse.

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          • #6
            Cash would not be a trouble.
            Plenty of occupied states to milk dry.

            Keep in mind that Nazi Germany was Capitalist, despite the NSDAP's socialist roots.

            I think the Nazis would have changed the way they managed trade to survive.
            The USA is not the only nation that knows how to make cash...

            Anyway, who cares, it's a scenario!
            Let's help Harry and make it a winner!
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Palaiologos
              I am pretty sure it was the other way around. Unemployment fell from 4.000.000 in 1933+ to 3000 in 1939.Let alone those huge construction programs(autobans etc). They even organized Olimpic games something a collapsed economy could certainly not afford.

              That is why all the germans loved them(untill the end of the war that is).
              Yet Germany couldn't really afford all that stuff. Had the Germans not been able to conquer western Europe and steal its resources, the German economy would have collapsed some time in the mid 1940s. The Nazi leadership had no clue about economic management - they were only interested in grandiose projects and enriching themselves.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by curtsibling
                Keep in mind that Nazi Germany was Capitalist, despite the NSDAP's socialist roots.
                Crony capitalist is a better description of the German economic system. While the Nazis gave industrialists a fairly free hand [even to the point of making all Germans essentially bonded workers to their firms!], the system was totally corrupt and the government certainly wasn't above squandering vast amounts of public money in hare-brained 'economic development' schemes. If you want a good example of the end results of such management, take a look at most of South America.

                I think the Nazis would have changed the way they managed trade to survive.
                I really doubt that: a keystone of Nazi idealology was 'Autarky', the concept where countries are totally sell reliant and don't need to trade.

                Anyway, who cares, it's a scenario!
                Harry did ask for history buffs to offer advice....
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                • #9
                  I think we can all agree that the Nazi top brass were 150% suckage.

                  But in CIV2 terms, having a weak and collapsed Germany sort invalidates the point of making a post 1945 scenario.

                  I assume we can dispense with the economic model, as CIV2 doesn't support such academia anyway.

                  In game terms:
                  All German units, improvements or wonders could be made expensive to build and maintain,
                  in order to drain the nazi coffers and make it tough to wage war.
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                  • #10
                    Map Choice

                    That's a good point Curt. The Nazi's heavily invested in advanced technology during the war, but at a tremendous cost. The price tag for the rocket program alone was astronomical. In the scenario I picture the Germans as having nice all around weapons, but with a high price tag.

                    Also, I want to poll the audience. What kind of map would be the best for this scenario? Right now I have a rather large gigamap, slightly smaller in geographic land area than the one shown in the other thread. It's a nice map, but I'm worried that such a large map may create basic program problems in the game. What does everyone think?

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                    • #11
                      Here's the basic map I'm working with right now.

                      25707 surface area, 123 by 209

                      The Atlantic has been shrunk by about 1/3.
                      Attached Files

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                      • #12
                        Looks nice!

                        But it depends if you want that 'global' feeling.

                        Keeping the unit and improvement costs high will prevent the too many units message that crops up in giga maps all the time.

                        More cities=more units=too many units...

                        But I have found during my tests of DV2, that making the improvements expensive and the units,
                        makes the AI concentrate on essentials and it does not spew out pointless units.

                        Keeping and filler civs (like a neutral one) from building any units is also a good way to free up unit potential.

                        Good map all in all, but the atlantic could be bigger...
                        But that's not a major issue.

                        Are the Soviets going to have anything special? JS3s or proto-Mig jets?
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                        • #13
                          Thanks for the advice Curt. I can always resize the Atlantic back to where it should be, a larger ocean would mean a larger emphasis on fleet building. As for the Soviets, they aren't to happy that the Germans took over all of Western Russia, so they have been stockpiling. I picture the Soviets eventually having the Mig and tanks like the JS3, but at a later date in the scenario. They are rebuilding and all. This won't hamper their ability to fight, as I see the Soviets having cheap units, due to their nuts and bolts fighting approach. Oh yeah, and seeing as Uncle Joe is dead, I think I might rename the JS line of tanks.

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                          • #14
                            Good idea!

                            The Timoshenko tank!
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                            • #15
                              What i know for the German economy of the time is that the Nazis were tottaly unprepared for a World war. Invading Czech republic and Poland is one thing and taking on Britain and France is another.

                              Anyway they lost the war and that is what counts.
                              "Military training has three purposes: 1)To save ourselves from becoming subjects to others, 2)to win for our own city a possition of leadership, exercised for the benefit of others and 3)to exercise the rule of a master over those who deserve to be treated as slaves."-Aristotle, The Politics, Book VII

                              All those who want to die, follow me!
                              Last words of Emperor Constantine XII Palaiologos, before charging the Turkish hordes, on the 29th of May 1453AD.

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