World War One - The War To End All Wars Has Just Begun

[tanelorn]

It has nothing to do with the communism government. In your rules.txt you renamed communism tech (cmn) to monarchy and gave it to various civilizations. Remove this tech from their tech-lists and voila, problem solved.

You didn't have to give government techs to your civs: You used the force-government command and forbade government switching, so

[jim panse]

It has nothing to do with the communism government. In your rules.txt you renamed communism tech (cmn) to monarchy and gave it to various civilizations. Remove this tech from their tech-lists and voila, problem solved.

@ tanelorn: Thank yu very much for that information. I´ll post an updated file tomorrow (CET)!

Since you have extra events space, would you like any suggestions?

@ all: Feel free to post any kind of info; I´m glad to read any kind of comments .....

[tanelorn]

Idea for huge Russian revolution:

If unit killed (red army) owner (barbarians)attacker (russia) defender (barbarians) then create unit (red army) owner (barbarians) veteran (no) homecity (none) locations- near St. Petersburg, Kazan, Moscow

If unit killed (red army) attacker (barbarians) defender (russia) then create unit (red army) etc.

If unit killed (cossacks) owner (russia) create unit (red cavalry) etc.

Double or triple this to get russian hands full of Bolsheviks.
It also means Russia needs the Entente to confront the red tide, since it cannot fight them alone.
So there you have it, Entente's intervention in Russia after the war.
And if these communists spill into Germany, you have Rosa Luxemburg and the Spartakists

[jeibel]

This scenario looks like it will become terrific... after proper tweaking is done

So here come a barrage of nitpicking:

(i played just one turn with italy so i will be partial in my views)

-as seem a trend recently proper techs for the functioning of improvements isn't available at the start
namely cathedral (house of god) and italian unification.
you need either Monotheism (which in your game is Aviation Tactics) or Theology and Mysticism (Bomber Command and Pressure upon Germany, a tech that seems foggy at best:what's it?) to have them work
No one has them at the beginning, some can be researched but it's an hassle.
Besides since everyone has Communism (Monarchy) but no Theology cathedral will only pacify two citizens. Is that intended ?
Btw: Italy has a lot of House of God from the start that are completely useless unless Rome is captured but that can be sold for much needed heaploads of money right from the beginning

-furthermore:even if Italy reach the lacking tech, italian unification still won't work. why? because a wonder that is gotten from a tech that has no,no, as prerequisites won't work.
So i guess other exclusive wonders won't work either.
Possible solution: set the tech for the wonders to have future tech as prerequisites (as did Andrew Livings in Crises of the New World Order) or have the wonders that are given from that start to have nil,nil, prereq, since you haven't to worry about others getting them.
or use a buffer tech that has no,no, has prereq to set as prereq for the national / exclusive tech, as Nemo do.

-Italy can't build Alpini.They only have one in Genova. What ?!? Alpines troop made up most of the Italian Fighting force !!! And surely was the most effective part ! So make Alpini buildable, and right from the start !
And that's true for KaiserJaeger, too...
Historically it is non-sense, Italy relied so much on mountain troops they are to this day remembered as saviours of the country. They fought with valour despite inept, foolish leadership and were slaughtered in the thousands. Tens, hundred of thousands.
So why you don't just have the national units available from the start have nil,nil, prereq, since thay will be obsoleted by non- techs, ensuring no one will build wrong units?
I don't think it will umbalance the game.
Or at least give them a few from the start.

useful link

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0275972046/qid=1059085902/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/104-1095009-7518321?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

a book by an american historian depicting the valour of the astrian and italian soldiers

-regarding government:
by all ways keep communist government. However the tech creates the problem of partisans. If you don't want partisans in your scenario i think this may be solved by forcing government with cheat menu (you can choose any gov type even if the tech is NOT available). since your scenario don't allow revolutions to take place, and you don't have gov tech that can be discovered (one time chance for revolution) the set government shall stay into place and you don't have to give anyone the communism tech.

Edit:dang it, Tanelorn beat me on this

-By all means increase size of the small border cities. They get destroyed way too quickly and often (Verdun, Innsbruck) and letting them replenish population is sluggish. Events won't trigger otherwise.

And shouldn't there be more farmlands around?

-why do London Secret Treaty only work if discovered by the Entente ? Make it bilateral and have it trigger if discovered from Italy too. And shouldn't it give a bit of financial help?

Moreover, do as Curt Sibling did and have everybody be allied with everybody and let wars be triggered by events. Will work well with United States and Italy (who was in fact part of the Triple Alliance) and avoid random unwanton conflict.

-Shall Bern be part of Italy? Can't you make it barbarian?
Id doesn't make much sense to me. Besaides, the italian player can sell improvemnts since it's useless to him. And it has naval compund nad fishing industry. In Bern ?!?

-please please dont make me have to sit for hours in front of the computer looking at slaughters. Since all units have high HP and FP combats take lots of times, so PLEASE reveal only the map relative to a nation and it's cities. it's otherwise!

Shall be all.
thanks for the patience.
if you need help, i'll be glad.
Farewell.

[Nilat]

The alpini thing is very true!!
And the battles are so long and boring....

[fairline]

Maybe that accounts for the civil unrest in Scapa Flow from turn 1 when playing as the Entente. This wasn't a place noted as a hotbed of subversive insurrection.

I'm going to bang on about this one again, Jim. The Camel was introduced in July 1917, I think, whereas the Nieuport 17 was first flown in action a year earlier. You really should swap these plane's slots, and make the Camel better than a Dr 1. The Triplane was maneuvrable but slow and no real match for the Camel.

[Nilat]

Your right there
I cant notice these things, but i can confirm them to be true

[jim panse]

Ok, some additional changes:

1st of all I want to thank you all for pointing out ideas, critics, comments and additional information. I had another view over the scenario and Í changed the following things mentioned by you:

(1)

Does any civ has communism as his government? Because I thought that allowed partizans to spring up.

Yes, the monarchy government is replaced by communism; I edited the technologies of Russia, Austria, Germany and Turky. There should be no more partisans popping up ......

(2)

Most of the larger capital ships (cruisers, dreadnaughts etc) have the submarine flag on. This means they can't be seen by most units but they only attack naval units, so they can't make shore bombardments. Destroyers that are small escort ships dont have the flag, so they can bombard the shores, but they don't have the guns to do it.

I changed that. Now the Cruiser, Destroyer and the Sub Hunter have the flag and I took the flog off the Capital Ships.

(3)

Idea for huge Russian revolution (...)

I also tried to implement this but please note also my intention: If the war goes well for the Russian Empire there´s no need for the Revolution ....

(4) I changed also the prerequisites for the starting wonders to "nil". It should be working better now.

(5)

Italy can't build Alpini.They only have one in Genova. What ?!?

The famous Alpini Divisions were set up later in the war and not in 1914. This is a compromise because the mountain troops (also the Austrian Kaiserjäger of which existed 2 Divisions in 1914, btw) are really strong units and in my opinion it would disbalance the game. I hope you understand this. You´ll receive Alipinis and Kaiserjäger (as the ANZAC Troops too) via events.

(6)

-By all means increase size of the small border cities. They get destroyed way too quickly and often (Verdun, Innsbruck) and letting them replenish population is sluggish. Events won't trigger otherwise

Innsbruck, Kronstadt and Czernowitz have now 4 population, Verdun 5, though this is not really accurate.

(7)

why do London Secret Treaty only work if discovered by the Entente ? Make it bilateral and have it trigger if discovered from Italy too. And shouldn't it give a bit of financial help?

The London Secret Treaty is unilateral because it was the higher price the Allies would pay that Italy joined their side. And now there´s a reward for Italy

(8)

Shall Bern be part of Italy?

Bern is now left out but a bunch of Crack Swiss Army units are blocking the passes over the alpes.

(9)

PLEASE reveal only the map relative to a nation

Fixed that!

(10)

I'm going to bang on about this one again, Jim. The Camel was introduced in July 1917, I think, whereas the Nieuport 17 was first flown in action a year earlier. You really should swap these plane's slots, and make the Camel better than a Dr 1. The Triplane was maneuvrable but slow and no real match for the Camel.

I also fixed that!

Please update your versions (2nd post)!

[Palaiologos]

"Partizans" are still appearing, the road movement cost is too high(It should be either 1/3-1/4) and many techs appear worthless. For example "Colonial troops" leads to nothing and nothing becomes available by it.

Ship of the line has a movement of 1, which means it can only get from Kiel to Hamburg in two months.

And why does the "Total war effort" tech make the "Deutsland Armee" wonder obsolete?

[our_man]

Ideas for a 1916 Rising Event:

TEXT
"Eater Monday, 1916. A small and bewildered crowd of people gather outside the GPO Building in Dublin, as P.H. Pearse and other members of the 'provisional government' reads the Irish Declaration of Independence and proclaims a Republic. Across the city, members of the Irish Volunteers seize key government installations and wait for the inevitable British counterattack..."

Then use a CREATEUNIT event to create soldiers outside of Dublin, ideally enough to take the city, which will represent the great deal of damage done to Dublin during the Rising.

If I get time tonight I'll write this up in proper events format.

[fairline]

Originally posted by jeibel
......-as seem a trend recently proper techs for the functioning of improvements isn't available at the start
namely cathedral (house of god) and italian unification.
you need either Monotheism (which in your game is Aviation Tactics) or Theology and Mysticism (Bomber Command and Pressure upon Germany, a tech that seems foggy at best:what's it?) to have them work
No one has them at the beginning, some can be researched but it's an hassle.
Besides since everyone has Communism (Monarchy) but no Theology cathedral will only pacify two citizens. Is that intended ?......

What about this, Jim? Jeibel has a good point here and it does appeat that having any troops at all in the field sends my cities into civil unrest. Surely you need to give the player a fighting chance at keeping their cities from rioting when commiting troops to battle. Let's face it, despite enormous losses of men there were no revolutions outside of Russia.

@Our-man: I like the 1915 Rising idea. If there were a free slot or 2 you could have a De Valera or Michael Collins unit to give those imperialist English pigs a good kicking

[jim panse]

"Partizans" are still appearing

@ Palaiologos: Have you downloaded the latest version (2nd post)? I tried myself too and there weren´t any partisans popping up.

Ideas for a 1916 Rising Event

@ our_man: Please, post it!

Pressure upon Germany: a tech that seems foggy

@ Jeibel: The US receive this tech once Germany discovers Total Submarine War and leads the US to the tech "USA: Declaration of War" against Germany.

[Palaiologos]

Yes stephan i downladed the new version.
Just try and capture Verdun.


And i really think that movement should be increased in both ships and ground troops(via the roads).

[jim panse]

I now fixed also that bug. It will be working now. I also changed the road multiplier to 1/3. You think it´s enough?

PS: Please update your files!

[Palaiologos]

Perhaps even to 1/4. Troops should be able to travel via railroad from Stettin to Posen in a month.
At least that is my opinion.


No partizans appear now, but a "Not used" tech is now available for research.


Perhaps more city walls should be added to cities to avoid destruction(Verdun, Posen etc). Artillery of course will ignore city walls.


Ships: Ship of the line now has movement of 7 while destroyers have 11. Perhaps it is a bit excessive?
Its your call.

Is this tiraleurs d'afrique the French foreign legion?
There MUST be a foreign legion unit.


And one last thing: The greek infantry stats are a bit downgraded IMHO. Not known to most of you western europeans, the Greek army at the time was the WORLD'S finest. Greece was at war from 1912 to 1922 loosing only one battle in Asia minor that cost us a war and cancelling 10 years of glory.
We actually defeated the Franco-British attack on Athens in 1917, and accepted entry in the war via political means. German attacks on the fortified positions of the Greek 3rd division in Thrace failed miserably.
The german army and its Bulgarian allies then soon learned the greek martial ability in their defeat at the battle of Skra.

The same greek army was then sent to Russia to support the anti-bolshevik operations. The army departed only when compelled so by the Entente(who had been badly mauled by the bolsheviks) and did so undefeated and in good order after succesfully defending the Crimea.

It was the one, never to return again, golden era of the modern Greek army.